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A question of legitimacy

Postby Naur » Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:26 pm

Seeing as I'd hate to see this comic go (the art is awesome and as a fellow manga artist I respect it), I'm curious whether cartoon network and nickelodeon know about it, if they do are they ok with it, if they don't is it within its legal boundaries that it cannot be killed like penny arcade's little strawberry shortcake bit was?
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Postby red pill » Tue Nov 23, 2004 2:40 am

my bet is that it is not. in witch case we are walking a fine tite rope indeed. however...with any luck, a small, free project such as this will go reltivly unotsised
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Postby Mandy » Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:21 am

Like said in many threads before:

Bleedmen should publish this in Japan where copyright laws are very lax. Then import them to America so we can read it as a manga.
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Postby Verec » Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:34 am

And as I have said before, I don't think that would work. I don't need to see this in print, it might be nice, but I don't need it. And if i decide that bleedman could use a bigger reward for making this I'll donate money to the 'Feed the B-man fund'.
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Re: A question of legitimacy

Postby Jack Salem » Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:44 am

Maxwell Atoms (creator of Grim & Evil) knows about it (and commented on it). That's probably about as far as it'll go, though.
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Postby Mandy » Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:07 am

He knows? How? And where did you see this?
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Re: A question of legitimacy

Postby Naur » Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:18 pm

Maxwell knows?! Alright! If he knows and has no issue about it then CN might let it go and Gendy and Craig won't say anything so they don't look like arses and Nick not wanting to be the badguy compared to CN will also be silent and..........(goes on for about another half hour)
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Postby Mandy » Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:31 pm

:rollseyes:
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Postby Dave » Tue Nov 23, 2004 1:35 pm

Wait he commented on it? Where?
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Re: A question of legitimacy

Postby Al Calnos » Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:26 pm

Right now its simply a fanwork, so i dont think hes breaking any laws. Now if he was making a profit off of it, then we might have some Mojo Jojo...

And when/where did Max Atoms comment on Bleedman?
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Re: A question of legitimacy

Postby Redstar » Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:01 pm

Bleedman can continue to create a fan comic, because of a little thing called fair play on parodies. Unless he starts to make a profit off of them, then we wont see any trouble.
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Postby Redstar » Thu Nov 25, 2004 4:52 pm

ComradeF wrote:Parody/Satire, etc, it's all fair. And no money is being made, so there's no problem. I would think creators LIKE fanfictions because they do boost the popularity of their designs. I hadn't even heard of half the cartoons featured in this comic until I read the character bios.

Exactly! I once knew of this Robocop fan cartoon made on http://newgrounds.com/ that he was fought over by the movie's company. The funny thing is they don't really keep Robocop in their archives for viewing. It seem as if they aren't that proud of the movie. There was also this other guy that was famous for his "lego-mation" flash on Newgrounds, but he had to remove all of those too because Lego intervened.

I don't know how many people probably went out and bought legos because of him.
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Postby Vimes » Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:56 pm

ComradeF wrote: I would think creators LIKE fanfictions because they do boost the popularity of their designs..


Two words for you:

Anne Rice


She banned all Vamp Chronicles fanfiction and hassles the writers of any she comes across
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Postby Karuma » Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:11 am

Cause she is lame.
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Postby Vimes » Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:45 am

Kalma wrote:Cause she is lame.


Indeed
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Re: A question of legitimacy

Postby Black Mage » Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:18 am

Nah, Anne Rice is badass. She's just a little.. bitchy.
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Re: A question of legitimacy

Postby PnoKio2 » Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:23 pm

I would hope that this could be and it may but its not very likely because Nick likes their products and Cn is in the same book but if i wanted one company to take the ball and run with it i would have to be Cartoon Network (only using their own charecters) , It just seems to me that they could churn out a better product i mean its not like nick dosent have a hot commodity (spongebob Fairly odd parents and so on) But they have yet to succeed in a gengre that cartoon network seems to have cornered and that would be the serious cartoon ie samuri Jack or the star wars clone wars series just to name a few Nick i can see is trying to do something along the lines of that but its just not working (Danny Phantom) I dont know if its me or is that show pretty weak originality and heavy on the cartoon Cliches .
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Re: A question of legitimacy

Postby Naur » Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:00 pm

PnoKio2 wrote:(Danny Phantom) I dont know if its me or is that show pretty weak originality and heavy on the cartoon Cliches .


They won me over with their Green Bay Packer episode lol

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Postby Verec » Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:40 pm

Ah yes, the evil billionare who can't get the city of green bay to sell him the Packers. Poor evil ghost villian...;) Phantom is actually one of the best shows on Nick and is actually on par with most of the offerings from CN IMO.
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Postby PnoKio2 » Sat Nov 27, 2004 7:35 pm

Oh come now you cant be serious thats shows not that good i will admit its alright but fairly odd parents is twice as good and to say that it was one of the best show nick has to offer is pretty much true i mean what else do they have that is remotley decent other than The fairy Odd parents , Sponge Bob or one the biggest loads of Cg crap i have ever seen Jimmy Neutron , I feel that My life as a teenage robot is one of the best that nick has to offer and What about invader Zim what happen to Zim arguably one of the best cartoons i have ever watched . But getting off that all i am saying is that the whole show feels completely stale and latent with cliches :Nerdy black kid , Goth chick that has feelings for the main Charecter,Jock style bully, older sister who cant stand parents, parents who are irresponsible and at times crazy , and a boat load of others . And they have all been seen on others shows that nick has put out so really come on
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Postby Verec » Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:23 pm

Yes there are cliches, but there is a reason that cliches are what they are, after all you wouldn't call a carpenter with a hammer in his toolbox cliche now would you? Some of these cliches and steriotypes actually exist in case you haven't been outside in a few years. And the reason they crop up so much is because they happen to work! And if you want irresponsible parrents, go to http://www.realmsofevil.net check out the forums, and read about Ari's folks. THEY were crazy, and I am very happy she managed to make her own life away from them.
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Re: A question of legitimacy

Postby Prof_Iridium » Sat Nov 27, 2004 11:07 pm

CN most likely won't say a word because they are all about promotion and fans. Nickelodeon probably won't either.

Bleedman's okay as far as fan based work goes. He's not making any money off of it. Yes, there are creators who are die hard cut throats about their work.. (Another is Ann McCathery (Sp?) she's actually gone so far as filing paperwork to sue fans.)

What happened to Penny-Arcade was really sad and unfortunate...however, Bleedman isn't displaying any of the characters in such a way that would offend...So the companies have even less of a reason to press suit or be upset.

The very few times I have seen a company become very upset at fans for fanwork is usually due to the characters being displaying in an inappropriate way or that the fans themselves have made demeaning and vile comments about the company itself. (Where it is actually hurting them, not helping)

But I don't think Bleedman has anyting to work about.
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Re: A question of legitimacy

Postby Tacky_Hillbilly » Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:14 am

Bleedman is walking a fine legal tight rope, but even if she ventures into territory where the Studios think they can get a court to give them a Cease and Desist order, I doubt they would bring it to court.

1. This has a fairly small reader base, percentage wise, and bringing it to Court makes them look like a faceless corporate monster.

2. Bleedman uses the Characters in ways that put them in a positive light, and in a responsible manner. She isn't really do anything that would annoy someone.

3. Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon are under constant attacks from a lot of diffrent groups already, due to the fact that alot of group consider Cartoons to be responsible for societies evils. They don't need to add freedom of Information advocates.

4. Both Companies rely on a public image of being nice, helpful companies, that seek to strenthen communities, and the Moral Fabric of the nation as a whole. Suing an Artist does not fit in with this picture.

But if Bleedman starts attempting to make money off it, then the lawyers would start knocking at her door.
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Re: A question of legitimacy

Postby PnoKio2 » Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:43 am

:fuckedup: isnt bleed man a guy
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Postby Karuma » Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:56 am

Yes.
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