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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby MQuinny1234 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:36 pm

Precisely, and because of that, it was creepy.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Exodis » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:54 pm

Is this strange: I hate the killings/slaughtering of animals (i.e. Chickens, Cows, etc.), yet I like to eat the animal products (i.e. chicken, meat, etc.).
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Hallow Nova » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:05 pm

I think that describes a lot of people. I can say that for myself as well as most of my family. I had a cousin that tried being a vegetarian, lasted 2 months before letting loose at a buffet.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Archrival » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:39 pm

I'm a believer of that it's just nature to eat other animals and that their deaths are necessary for our survival, even if I don't agree with some of the poor rearing and keeping those animals suffer.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Vegedus » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:56 pm

How are they necessary for your survival? You could just eat plants. Granted, vegetarianism can lead to a deficit in protein, but it's hardly impossible to deal with. Even then, we don't need anywhere near the amount of protein we get from the overabundance of meat most of us eat.

I'm not a vegetarian, but I do believe that if one considers animal to be intelligent, sensing beings, worthy of good lives, then it's pretty much immoral to buy not-farm raised meat. Animals can certainly feel pain to the same degree, so the only question is whether their lower intelligence makes them lesser beings. Morally, the only difference between cannibalism and eating animals is the intelligence of what you're sinking your teeth into.

Myself, I don't believe animals have consciences to a degree where they're worth protecting. Or, perhaps more pragmatically, I don't believe that it's an issue worth pursuing when there's still so much human pain to deal with. It's a distraction from more important, less ambiguous issues. Though, the meat industry is increasingly going to be a cause of human suffering, namely starvation and effects on the environment, so whether it's right to eat meat is pretty much a clear cut case however you look at it: It's bad for your health, it's bad for the planet, it's bad for the hungry. I hope to find the motivation to at least become a flexitarian at some point.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Birdofterror » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:45 pm

Vegedus wrote:How are they necessary for your survival?
It's very simple, really.

If a species such as us relied solely on plant proteins and fibers, our brain never would have evolved to the point we're at now. All carnivores have larger brains than solely herbivorous creatures, because they need to outsmart them and come up with complex social structures that deal with things that herbivores simply don't have to deal with, such as small amount of game to name a single example. Animals that Migrate usually don't do so through thought, it's usually just instinct so that when they completely graze out one area, they go in a migratory circle to greener pastures. (A good exception would be Elephants who use active memory and their unusually large brains to remember EXACTLY where oases and good food stores are.)

Carnivores usually capitalize on this, but when it comes to getting in each others' way, they usually can't keep up with migratory animals for more than 1 month out of the year so they have to use actual thought and memory to gauge patterns of what little food remains. A great example would be Africa and all of the animals in the great plains. So, with the advanced thought and ability to detect patterns, carnivores are not only able to outsmart Herbivores, they are also able to solve complex puzzles and think their way out of complicated situations.

Dogs, Cats, even some carnivorous birds like ravens and hawks, zoo and circus animals like dolphins, bears and orcas can all be trained and domesticated. There's a reason you can't train rabbits, they simply didn't evolve the need to be smart.

The truth of vegetarianism is you can't simply survive off of simple plants, you need specific vegetables (and/or fruit) to replace a lot of the nutrients you're missing to support your omnivorous brain. We evolved around a balanced diet, limiting yourself to simply vegetables or simply meat is dangerous and always has repercussions that CAN be avoided with specific variations of your food, but can be easily and naturally avoided by just eating a slice of pepperoni pizza. 8)

I'm probably missing other smart herbivores and things like that, but my main point is that our brain requires nutrients more commonly found in meat than in plants simply because we evolved that way.

Now that the history of our brains is out of the way, all other things you mentioned are 100% correct. It's much less effective to farm/ranch meat than it is to do so for grains and vegetables and if we don't change our ways we will suffer from food losses in the near future. However, as long as half of America is obese, I'm not really in a hurry to call out a Famine yet. LOL
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Sentios » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:56 am

Randori wrote:Is this strange: I hate the killings/slaughtering of animals (i.e. Chickens, Cows, etc.), yet I like to eat the animal products (i.e. chicken, meat, etc.).


It's not strange, it just means you have strong empathy.

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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Asmodai » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:51 pm

There's already a firm here in the Netherlands that "grows" meat... Its said to still taste awful, but has the same nutrients as any other piece of meat.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Sentios » Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:59 am

Asmodai wrote:There's already a firm here in the Netherlands that "grows" meat... Its said to still taste awful, but has the same nutrients as any other piece of meat.


Since the flavor of meat usually comes from fats I'd imagine they simply don't have the process for creating fats within the meat down yet.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Hiroko » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:21 pm

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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Hallow Nova » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:26 pm

I saw it coming and still teared T.T
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Exodis » Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:31 pm

Why am I peeing out of my eyes...?
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Blood Lord » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:09 pm

*checks heart.

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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Sigment » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:33 pm

That was the saddest three minutes I've ever seen.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Exodis » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:40 pm

Trust me, you're gonna see much sadder stuff maybe lasting more than 3 minutes...
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Vegedus » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:08 am

Aww, if it was less than 3 minutes, I could have made a virgin joke.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Exodis » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:23 am

Pretend it was 3 minutes. I actually wanna hear the joke.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Asmodai » Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:31 am

On a happier note, have you guys heard of Kill La Kill? Its a new anime by the director of Gurran Lagann... The first episode recently aired, and its the same over the top action, with a deliciously good animation style.

Also, fan service... Lots and lots of fan service.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby The Mad Doctor » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:01 am

I think the term is a bit dodgy in general. When I hear it, I think of something the production company does in recognition of it's fans. But in anime, it just seem to mean boobs and less clothing.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Hallow Nova » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:06 am

I remember someone posting the trailer for that.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Vegedus » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:47 am

Ah, a new anime falls into our lap, right after the end of Attack On Titan. Delicious. Let's hope it's good.

Randori wrote:Pretend it was 3 minutes. I actually wanna hear the joke.

I'd think you could figure it out, but okay:

"Trust me, you're gonna see much sadder stuff lasting less than 3 minutes..."
Like losing your virginity!


Hah! The joke is that it's not gonna happen!

TheMadDoctor wrote:I think the term is a bit dodgy in general. When I hear it, I think of something the production company does in recognition of it's fans. But in anime, it just seem to mean boobs and less clothing.

That's pretty much what it means.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Exodis » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:22 am

Vegedus wrote:
Randori wrote:Pretend it was 3 minutes. I actually wanna hear the joke.

I'd think you could figure it out, but okay:

"Trust me, you're gonna see much sadder stuff lasting less than 3 minutes..."
Like losing your virginity!


Hah! The joke is that it's not gonna happen!

Haha funny. That was a good one.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Asmodai » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:41 am


I'm loving the animation style... But I do hope that the outfit changes over the course of the anime.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Vegedus » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:46 am

Why? As far as I recall, you do love you fanservice.
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Re: Welcome to the Weirdness

Postby Asmodai » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:42 pm

well, true... but it does take away all sense of seriousness... At least the main character seems to be completely aware of how she looks
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