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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Tenshi Nova » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:16 pm

I don't watch Adventure Time, but from what I gathered from hearing small details, I don't believe we'll be seeing Hudson's daughter in these fights, or at least not with her father. What I want to see, is Jack come back and show off some badass moves. I'm kind of expecting to see more references to undead characters for Mandy's side and a bunch of different types of demons for Him's. Demons fighting the Undead. We must remember Mandy's vault full 'o' goodies.

As for Junior and Minnie being involved in this war. I'd like to bring up my theory of Him using Mimi and Chi has counter offsprings against Mandy's children. So, I'm assuming Mandy will want them to battle, and Him will want to find a way to keep them out the battles, since Mimi is their prisoner and Chi doesn't seem too combat savvy.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Dr. Mandalor » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:35 pm

I am thinking of this as a chess game (like the guy from earlier). Grim and Mandy are King and Queen, Pain is a knight, Jr. is a rook, Mandy is a bishop(either side), and skeleton soldiers for pawns. On the other side Him is King, Aku queen, ? for knight and bishops, Chi for rook, and robots for pawns. Walker and the other rulers are spare pieces right now for me, because we don't know their allegiances. Even though i think Walker will probably side with Mandy, evil attract their own kind, but i know next to nothing about the other rulers. I still want to see Walker show up with a kid (gender doesn't matter) and i can picture them wearing classic gangster suits.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Exodis » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:36 pm

Underworld War! This is gonna be exciting!
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby pandabear » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:07 pm

Why is she feared? She cannot die unless Grim said so.

Also the way she could manipulate people as in the Socialist Youth back when she was growing up knowing Grim kept her undead.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby ari-6 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:13 pm

Let's not forget that an army gives so many opportunities for cameos. And what you said about walker having a child (I hope a boy) made me think. what would the the old ghosts look like now. If anyone here has seen DP Ultimate Enemy then you'll know what I'm talking about.

Pandabear your avatar is weapons grade cuteness but not as much as that guy who had the gif of a kitten popping out of a pringles tube. What happened to that guy?
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Tenshi Nova » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:13 pm

I just remembered something from reading Dr. Mandalor's post about Walker. In the show, or movie forgot which, the ghosts actually had kids. What were the names again? Box Lunch is the one I remember. I think Skulker and the Techno guy also combined into a big ass ghost robot. These ghosts and their children may play a big role in this war. I also recall Clockwork speaking with large eyeball-faced people about changing the timeline. Those guys were Observers, I think. They don't interfere directly with events but they can also be(or a part of) the council Grim is referring to.

5 Realms were introduced to us. We know The Land of Tainted Souls and Aku City are aligned. I'm assuming Grimskull and the Ghost Zone are together due to Grim's relationship with Clockwork. The Nightosphere seems to be sided to Him, so we'll see what happens.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Nina333 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:13 pm

Mimi reminded me of a sleeping puppy. Many wants to go to war and Grim isn't happy about it. I'm not sure what Minnie thinks about her mom prepping for war plans. She seems to be deep in thought about the whole issue.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby CrimsonCreed » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:41 pm

ari-6 wrote:
CrimsonCreed wrote:Well this certainly makes things interesting... if war ever does come to the underworld I wonder, what Jr and Minnie's roles would be as part of the war effort? Also i wonder who is part of this council grim talked about, if Hudson's daughter is on it that would explain why we have yet to see her, or is she non existent to GT?


What you said about what Minnie and Jr would do in a war is interesting. On one hand their children but on the other hand they are both way more powerful than a standard guard. Also if they were to go to war who would fight it? The skeleton guards or maybe they would call in everyone who is loyal to them. In that case how big would it be? A small war? A big battle? would HIM lay siege to castle grimskull? That would be cool but Mandy doesn't seem like one to wait for the fight to come to her. But she has his daughter which would serve as an excuse to attack. We assume that HIM, Aku and Hudson are all in together then that's an army of demons and robots. Then we assume that Mandy and Walker are together? Then that's an army of ghosts and deathless knights. This would be one epic fight. Hopefully not one lasting 2 years though. I don't mind the idea of a long fight. Then maybe we would get to see them older after a time skip.
Also you don't watch Adventure time do you?

Yes I do actually, why did I misinterpret the relationship between Marcy and Hudson?
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Shradow » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:52 pm

Title should've been "War, what is it good for?"
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby ari-6 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:53 pm

It's just that Marceline doesn't exactly make me think "authority figure" or "member of a council", she seems too lay'd back to get involved with a war, least of all a war her father is fighting, I might be wrong about this but I think at this point she would be about 8 years old if she has even been born yet and as for nonexistent, if Hudson exists in the GT verse then it's a fair bet she does too.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby wonder3 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:52 am

been awhile since I posted a response here in the forums but I actually have a few theories about the other rulers and reasons for some characters not appearing in the comic or as different than the previous versions of their selves.

1. Marcy(Adventure Time)- we know that Hudson left Marcy in the ruins of the old world where she was found by the future Ice King. By the way those things in that episode never attacked Marcy until the Ice King was around so they might of been her nanny figures left by Hudson to take care of Marcy in the ruined world while he fought in the underworld war. Meaning he abandoned his daughter in the post apocalyptic world to protect her because she was only his child and he did not want her to become a bargaining chip in the war.

2.Walker and the other ghosts in the ghost zone only went through those changes because dark Danny existed and even Clockwork proclaimed that because he is only in existence because of Clockwork's powers that all actions taken by him when he did exist never happened including the the ghosts banding together like they did out of fear of Dark Danny. This means that more than likely the place Dark Danny went to "train" is probably the Ghost Zone meaning that Walker might not be in power any more because of Dark Danny's reemergence not to mention the various vaults and gateways to realms inside the ghost zone means access to that realm with detailed knowledge of where every door goes is a serious advantage in a war.

3. Him and his allies- although not much is known about HIM's army we know that he can capture and corrupt souls even those that were once honorable warriors that coupled with the fact that Aku is his ally meaning that Aku was able to destroy the gems that limited his power in the series as well as bested Jack this means that we have two people able to corrupt souls of heroes to work for them. Aku also has the ability to create negative version of heroes like Jack so it becomes a war of Attrition over one of strength because endless armies of robots couples with fallen hero generals vs. similar situation only instead the undead and ghost as the army and generals who Mandy got to work for her through her "special" means of negotiations.

4.Many and her allies- we do not know how many suitors Mandy has had in her bed chambers to start with although we do know all of them have had power. Grimm's contracts with certain denizens of the underworld also have to come into play like Jack O' Lantern. As for the kids we still do not know the identity of Grimm Jr.'s biological father and Minnie has control over Jr.'s nergal parasite to an extent, but besides that we have no clue what she is capable of.

5. final thoughts-we still do not know the conditions of the other realms of the underworld as there was a previous war meaning that some of the other realms might be like vassal or sub servant realms to a previous victor's realms or might have pacts of neutrality when war comes around. This means there is potential for even greater war not to mention heaven might get into the mix as a crusade against all that is evil nonsense. The fact is the underworld is very complex from what is going on right now.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby ari-6 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:23 am

Those are some interesting ideas. Apart from the first one which was just flawed. The writers of AT don't write around GT, GT is written around AT so something that happens in AT can't really be as a result of something that happens in AT. But then retroactive fiction writing is a thing (I think) so who knows. Also when I mentioned Ultimate Enemy I wasn't saying that defiantly will happen, I was just suggesting the possibility that the ghosts might look different after 20 years.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Cerulean » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:06 am

wonder3 wrote:1. Marcy(Adventure Time)- we know that Hudson left Marcy in the ruins of the old world where she was found by the future Ice King. By the way those things in that episode never attacked Marcy until the Ice King was around so they might of been her nanny figures left by Hudson to take care of Marcy in the ruined world while he fought in the underworld war. Meaning he abandoned his daughter in the post apocalyptic world to protect her because she was only his child and he did not want her to become a bargaining chip in the war.

I don't think he meant it that way. I think he meant that the timeline that we know from Adventure time will be addressed in the comic. If it were addressed it would probably get tweaked a bit so that what has happened in the show fits the mold for GT(good example of something similar would be when Billy & Mandy switched places with Grim and became reaper for a day. Mandy then proceeded to cause the events of 9/11(in GT only)).

The ideas you listed sounded pretty interesting. The one I quoted actually made me wonder if GT was going address The Great Mushroom War and how it started. I was thinking that it would probably be an interesting development if Him's attack on Megaville somehow led to the Great Mushroom War. However, Hunson and Him being on good terms makes this a little more complex?
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby wonder3 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:18 am

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wonder3 wrote:1. Marcy(Adventure Time)- we know that Hudson left Marcy in the ruins of the old world where she was found by the future Ice King. By the way those things in that episode never attacked Marcy until the Ice King was around so they might of been her nanny figures left by Hudson to take care of Marcy in the ruined world while he fought in the underworld war. Meaning he abandoned his daughter in the post apocalyptic world to protect her because she was only his child and he did not want her to become a bargaining chip in the war.

I don't think he meant it that way. I think he meant that the timeline that we know from Adventure time will be addressed in the comic. If it were addressed it would probably get tweaked a bit so that what has happened in the show fits the mold for GT(good example of something similar would be when Billy & Mandy switched places with Grim and became reaper for a day. Mandy then proceeded to cause the events of 9/11(in GT only)).

The ideas you listed sounded pretty interesting. The one I quoted actually made me wonder if GT was going address The Great Mushroom War and how it started. I was thinking that it would probably be an interesting development if Him's attack on Megaville somehow led to the Great Mushroom War. However, Hunson and Him being on good terms makes this a little more complex? Not to mention the fact that I'm starting to wonder if the Underworld is interconnected to various universes. Which could mean that the events in Ooo happened on a different plane or something?


This is what I was implying to a degree with theory one and yes the ghost probably do look different because instead of Dark Danny they had to deal with trying to fight a good Danny but that means the changes are less severe like maybe a more high tech version of skulker or techno, but not to the extremes they faced under the tyranny of a ghost king(sorry had the throw that reference in seeing as he was just sealed again not destroyed) like Dark Danny. As for any other issues I am NOT the writer or artist for any of the aforementioned series and as I said they are theories things to ponder about until such a time they are proven false or true.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Darkingdomhearts » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:39 am

First why does everyone say Hudson? His name is Hunson, just wanted to make that clear. Now my theories.

The Land of Tainted Souls, City of Aku and Nightosphere have formed an alliance. It is possible that HIM planned this war, as he already made that alliance with Hunson a year ago. Castle of Grim and the Ghost Zone would possibly have an alliance because of Dan being an ally of them too.

The ghosts in the Ghost Zone would still be the same as their original appearance because Dan didn't exist, so they stayed normal. I hope that Walker doesn't have a child, but instead that Ember and Skulker have a son, Inferno, who becomes the sidekick of Dan. Aside from the ghosts, Nergal and Halloween Town are also with Castle Grimskull.

And about Marcy. I think that at this moment Marcy is still with Simon in the wreckage of the world. Because it hasn't been longer than a year or two, since the Great Mushroom War in Megaville. So Simon and Marcy should still be wandering around there. I would love to see a face-off between Simon and Hunson after the war.

And it would be awesome if Death from Adventure Time would be the head of the council
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby ari-6 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:48 am

Darkingdomhearts wrote:First why does everyone say Hudson?

Sorry, I stuttered.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby The Mad Doctor » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:58 am

You don't stutter on the internet. You make typos.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby ari-6 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:25 am

Sorry, I sttutted.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Tenshi Nova » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:03 pm

Made my day ari. Made my fucking day lol. Just wanted to say that the Ghost Zone may side with Grimskull because of Grim's friendship with Clockwork.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Biocolor » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:29 pm

Him and his army is probably going to be read as for hunsin's ( spelt that wrong ) daughter Marceline she's probably going to join grim's army because she doesn't like her dad. Hey something that would be funny is if all of The Adventure Time characters came with Marceline to the underworld.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Tenshi Nova » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:06 pm

I hope not. No offense to the show or the cast, I just feel they will be out off place and the details would be too long and uninteresting.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Blood Lord » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:10 pm

Biocolor wrote: Hey something that would be funny is if all of The Adventure Time characters came with Marceline to the underworld.

No. This isn't the Grim Adventure Time here.The only purpose having the rest of the cast along would be to totally derail the focus from the current cast set.

This is one of the issues that I have with people that do fanfics as well. You introduce a OC or a new world and it suddenly they become the focus, and everyone else becomes a secondary character.

The only reason Hunson, or what ever the hell his name is, is in GT is for a nod to the show, it doesn't mean the Adventure Time Universe got its ass dragged into this mix as well.

Darkingdomhearts wrote:but instead that Ember and Skulker have a son, Inferno, who becomes the sidekick of Dan. Aside from the ghosts, Nergal and Halloween Town are also with Castle Grimskull.

Hoping for your own OC to make it in is a pretty far stretch.

Like you'd have just as good of odds as the US paying off its debt.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Tenshi Nova » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:23 pm

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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby ari-6 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:27 pm

I still think this is before Adventure Time but a thought occurred. Marceline is physically 18 but she has been 18 for a while because she was 18 when she became a vampire. So my point is that she could appear in GT and all it would take is for GT to be set a decade after "Simon and Marcy". Plus, Biocolor, you'r right, Marceline would side with Mandy just for the sake of fighting against her dad, especially if she had just gotten her powers and thinks she can beat her dad.

Tenshi Nova wrote:Made my day ari. Made my fucking day lol. Just wanted to say that the Ghost Zone may side with Grimskull because of Grim's friendship with Clockwork.

Much obliged, And I think the ghost zone will definitely side with Mandy because if they don't, then its the entire underworld against Mandy and she can't be such a B!£ch that she hasn't made a single ally.

Box Lunch? I think theirs a good chance she could appear, and I hope some original ghost offspring characters.
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Re: When in doubt go to war

Postby Darkingdomhearts » Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:28 pm

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Biocolor wrote: Hey something that would be funny is if all of The Adventure Time characters came with Marceline to the underworld.

No. This isn't the Grim Adventure Time here.The only purpose having the rest of the cast along would be to totally derail the focus from the current cast set.

This is one of the issues that I have with people that do fanfics as well. You introduce a OC or a new world and it suddenly they become the focus, and everyone else becomes a secondary character.

The only reason Hunson, or what ever the hell his name is, is in GT is for a nod to the show, it doesn't mean the Adventure Time Universe got its ass dragged into this mix as well.

Darkingdomhearts wrote:but instead that Ember and Skulker have a son, Inferno, who becomes the sidekick of Dan. Aside from the ghosts, Nergal and Halloween Town are also with Castle Grimskull.

Hoping for your own OC to make it in is a pretty far stretch.

Like you'd have just as good of odds as the US paying off its debt.

I know, it are just hopes that will never come true. But I just liked making him.

And as much as I like Adventure Time, I hope not many will be included. I would say having Hunson, Marcy and Simon is the limit, because Finn probably is a baby and the rest isn't born yet. And still I think that the chance of Simon and Marcy being included is very small. If they would appear it might be a Further Orientation chapter, but nothing more than that.
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