Yoshi wrote:That's my take on it anyway. Sorry if I stepped on any toes.
That's like your opinion, man. No worries, why would we be offended by what you find funny in a tv cartoon? What's funny to you, is funny to you, it's cool. I was just curious what your opinion is.
Yoshi wrote:I think everyone's problem is that the style of The Simpsons is not consistent. It's changed over the course of the years and people hate change.
I think you're simplifying. I don't think that's the issue, the most common definition of golden era Simpsons is seasons 3-9. Yet seasons 3-5 have a different atmosphere than 6-7, and those differ from 8-9. If people hating change was the main problem, people wouldn't be holding seasons 4-5 and 8-9 in high esteem at the same time, and that's what most people, not all but most, do.
In fact, I'd argue seasons 19-24 had the least changes in style of any 5 consecutive years in Simpsons history, so if people hating change is the problem, than those 5 years should've built up a new, far bigger, viewership than 4-6 million people per episode, which is what they're getting outside of season premieres and finales. An animated show like Phineas and Ferb gets 3 million on average. And Phineas and Ferb is marketed towards kids, airs on cable, and offers episodes on demand in advance.
Yoshi wrote:But I have actually changed my opinion, to one that's actually even less popular it seems. I actually prefer the early-middle seasons best. Not the first few, not that all are truly equal, but the seasons people generally declare as the start of decline.
So I'm understanding seasons 10-14, pretty much? So mostly Scully era.
Yoshi wrote:I would take most new episodes over most old episodes. Maybe it's because I've seen them so much, but I just enjoy the newer ones more. And the humour isn't "bad", it's just evolved to target a different audience. The world has changed and while The Simpsons were considered "edgy" when they first came out once Family Guy and the like hit the scene? Not very edgy at all. Almost conservative by comparison.
Family Guy is only "edgy" if you go by a teenager's "OMG I can't believe they aired that" definition of edginess and in that department it's outperformed by stuff like South Park or Archer, cause those air on cable and have less strict guidelines.
While it's true early 90's America considered Simpsons "edgy", mostly due to the extremely stupid "Bart's a bad example/role model" hysteria of the first 2 seasons, what made the show lasting was the sharp social satire. Which is something, unlike totally subjective shock-value edginess, that in my opinion hasn't been matched in an animated show since.
Stuff like the scene from "The PTA Disbands" when Skinner makes a half-assed hand gesture and someone from the dumb fickle crowd yells "You see that finger!? He means taxes!". It's a background joke and hard to hear upon first viewing, yet it's brilliant.
Golden age Simpsons making fun of religion: Chalmers: Thank the Lor-- thank the Lord? That sounded like a prayer. A prayer. A prayer in a public school! God has no place within these walls, just like facts have no place within organized religion."
Family Guy making fun of religion: Republican candidate yelling "GOD CREATED EVERYTHING!"
Both satirize, but one's sharp, witty and makes fun of both sides, while the other one's lazy, dumb and biased.
Yoshi wrote:Look, sorry but "that sort of fan" is their fan-base. Whether you like it or not,
Yep I agree, when did I ever say something that goes against that? It's their current fanbase, theres nothing I can do to change that, I accept that, but as you said I don't have to like it, so I voiced my dislike of it. I just really strongly dislike shipping and shipping culture in general. The one possible exception being Ranma 1/2, cause seriously fuck that bitch Akane.
Yoshi wrote:the humour and content of the show have changed to adapt whatever fan-base is biggest.
Ah see, but here's where we disagree. I think they went for the crowd that's easiest to hook, not the biggest possible one. No way to prove it for either of us. But fact is the most important demographic is 20-39 and I can't imagine an average person of that age caring about shipping.
Yoshi wrote:And honestly, if they fired all their current writers and hired all the ones who made "classic" episodes and brought it back to the golden times, do you really think anyone who has written off the show will come back?
No, I think what most people want is for the show to get cancelled and for an inevitable revival to occur within 3-8 years, so that the writing room might get some fresh new writers. The writing room hasn't gotten a real shake-up for about 9 years. The main problem seems to be that every script has to be ok'd by Al Jean and from what I've read in his interviews I think he's a man whose current approach to comedy lacks ambition, you likely think differently and that's cool.
Keep in mind Family Guy owes it's position as most watched animated show largely due to a cancelletion, an Internet outcry with quite a bit of bandwagoning, and a revival. Simpsons could get something similar, hopefully with the quality also improving.
Yoshi wrote: The long answer is that I think the sort of humour that is best is characterised by John Schwartzwelder. The kidney episode where they're in the "wild west" town and there's a fake firefight and one cowboy starts randomly digging a hole? That stuff is the best for me.
The kidney episode is season 10, and Schwartzwelder. wrote or co-wrote more episodes prior to season 10 than after it. Just pointing that out, not saying that you contradict yourself. Maybe you just feel season 10-14 writers shared Schwartzwelder's sense of humour more.
P.S. Oh and "Dancin' Homer" is season 2. So it's not what most would consider golden era, as I said that's seasons 3-9 for most people. Seasons 4 and 5 are considered especially flawless, with top-notch episodes from start to finish.