New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

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Re: New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

Postby askura » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:26 pm

GrimlyLoveGunner wrote:But yeah, I kinda hope they hold off explaining things for a while. I want to see what Chi's gonna do. I can live without the flashbacks. I don't want them to go too into it anyway.

They haven't completely explained Mimi yet, I don't think we need Chi's full story for a while. Maybe it'll come up later and Chi'll ramble it out when she gets upset. At least that's the most likable way of telling it I can think of.


I think Mimi has been explained for the most part. She is the daughter of Blossom and Him, well-loved by Blossom and protected by the other heroes because of her potential, but because of her origins, exploited and a little cast out/lonely. When kidnapped by Him, she is tortured and manipulated into becoming Her. I also think Jeff's comments on Mina in Further Orientation are a huge hint towards Mimi's life especially considering how Him reacts to his statements. She was probably happy to be given a new life and power whereas before she was defenseless, but the means by which this happened and the way Him still treats her make her hate her life...

The parts left vague (i.e. the details of Blossom's deal with Him, how Mimi and Chi know each other, etc) will probably relate to Chi's backstory, and because the last couple chapters have dealt with Mimi's backstory it seems fitting that Chi should be introduced to clear up the remaining elements.

This will probably happen either as the story progresses as "implied" elements, where little bits of information come out as mentions or short one-panel flashbacks rather than in an all-at-once flashback or explanation. Though the latter is bleedman's usual style of storytelling, especially in this comic...
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Re: New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

Postby CrimsonCreed » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:51 am

honestly this is defiantly a comic worth turning into a T.V show but idk at all if Bleedman has put the thought into turning this into an animation once finished. although i would like to see it happen (and i do hope one day it does) animators are going to have to edit out some of the story. i know that animation is a longer process but i can honeslty say it's worth it if done the way bleedman has with the comic.
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Re: New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

Postby Numa430 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:22 am

Sorry to say but, there is no chance in hell for it to happen.
Due to the copyrights and the lawsuits they would have to deal with isn't part of their plan.
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Re: New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

Postby Birdofterror » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:58 am

I don't know, if Bleedman gets connections and a few hundred thousand dollars he can get the rights to put it on public access for like two weeks.

Of course this is never happening, but this hasn't stopped people from trying to make their own little fan movies and games. While only one game is worth talking about, most of the fan made movies are kind of... bad.

But I digress: If Bleedman has hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars, a few executives and lawyers to burn- he could probably get a 2 star cartoon with below average ratings made that will be alive for like a month.

At best.
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Re: New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

Postby CrimsonCreed » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:52 am

Birdofterror wrote:I don't know, if Bleedman gets connections and a few hundred thousand dollars he can get the rights to put it on public access for like two weeks.

Of course this is never happening, but this hasn't stopped people from trying to make their own little fan movies and games. While only one game is worth talking about, most of the fan made movies are kind of... bad.

But I digress: If Bleedman has hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars, a few executives and lawyers to burn- he could probably get a 2 star cartoon with below average ratings made that will be alive for like a month.

At best.

Two star my foot more like 3.5 stars because it's darker than most cartoon shows, it has a actual storyline that while based off of The Grim Adventurers of Billy and Mandy is original and it features some new original characters if anything the guys in Cartoon Network should be praising Bleedman for pulling off a comic based on their work and kicking it up a few notches.
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Re: New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

Postby Birdofterror » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:38 am

Kicking it up a few notches, eh? Look, if it was 'just' Craig Mcracken's work- I'm sure he would be flattered. If it was 'just' Cartoon Network's work- I'm sure they would feel successful- but Bleedman's comics aren't just about those two mediums. We have had Nickelodeon and The Hub, and if you want to count cameos: Sprout, PBS and Anime. All Bleedman kicked up was his lawsuit should he ever try to make money off of this ever.

Plus, just because a Kid's show is 'dark' doesn't mean it's bound to be successful. After all, it's a kid's show- not a T.V. drama or a straight to DVD movie. Kids are fickle, if they were to bring back the old kid's shows- modern kids would NOT watch them, simply because it's not part of 'their' generation. In fact, I'm convinced the only reason Netflix brought the 90s cartoons on would be for people born in 1988-1999- not so much for kids nowadays.

So let me get to the point: Even if (And this is a big if) Bleedman somehow managed to pull enough strings and make enough money to both purchase the copyrights for EVERYTHING he ever starred and/or cameoed AND put enough forward to push his way into prime-time children's television: Who's to say it would succeed? Basically it's a mash-up show about a whole bunch of cartoons kids nowadays have either never heard of or at least never saw. It would be pandering to an incredibly small minority of people who- mind you, are not kids anymore.

Even in jest or theory- Bleedman will never have a show, at least not a successful one.
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Re: New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

Postby Mon-Kitsune » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:46 am

Birdofterror wrote:Plus, just because a Kid's show is 'dark' doesn't mean it's bound to be successful. After all, it's a kid's show- not a T.V. drama or a straight to DVD movie. Kids are fickle, if they were to bring back the old kid's shows- modern kids would NOT watch them, simply because it's not part of 'their' generation. In fact, I'm convinced the only reason Netflix brought the 90s cartoons on would be for people born in 1988-1999- not so much for kids nowadays.


I usually call this the "South Park Orc" effect. When South Park did the whole "Imaginationland" trilogy I was wathing it with a few of my younger cousins and they said "That's not what an orc looks like, they dont have horns and cat eyes" (in the scene around the campfire) I had to explain that yes, that IS what an orc looks like (more or less) if your refernce point is the old Rankin Bass cartoon not the Peter Jackson movie. Second biggest cartoon WTF I ever got from them (the first was watching a simpsons episode and explaining that 1. There was actually a movie called Paint your Wagon 2. It actually did star Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin and 3. They actually were singing and dancing for the whole thing.
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Re: New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

Postby GrimlyLoveGunner » Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:51 pm

I miss the old cartoons. Cartoon Network is like MTV.

We got Adventure Time but that's like the only thing isn't it? The Regular Show scares the crap out of me. I wished they'd show more re-runs of the old shows. Nope. No Grim Adventures reruns. This kills me.

TeenNick has the 90's thing going on at least.

But yeah, maybe someone with talent could do a kick-ass animation of Grim Tales. But besides that-

Sugar Bits. Sugar Bits is what we should talk about being the show. It might be the lowest in popularity for bleedman, But it's varily original isn't it?

If it was good it would be fine. Maybe not a huge success, but a cult following. It would be something.

"That's not what an orc looks like, they dont have horns and cat eyes" (in the scene around the campfire) I had to explain that yes, that IS what an orc looks like (more or less) if your refernce point is the old Rankin Bass cartoon not the Peter Jackson movie.


I would have hoped that your cousins had been old enough to be aware that the canon designs of mythtical creatures varies.
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Re: New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

Postby Mon-Kitsune » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:51 pm

GrimlyLoveGunner wrote:
"That's not what an orc looks like, they dont have horns and cat eyes" (in the scene around the campfire) I had to explain that yes, that IS what an orc looks like (more or less) if your refernce point is the old Rankin Bass cartoon not the Peter Jackson movie.


I would have hoped that your cousins had been old enough to be aware that the canon designs of mythtical creatures varies.


Technically the Rankin Bass adaptations aren't canon, indeed CAN'T be. There are a LOT of things that are directly against Tolkien Canon, like Aragorn,Denethor and Elrond having beards(Gondorians NEVER have facial hair, it's a mark of culture since they like to look as Elvish as possible. And Elves only grow beards when they are really really old, WAAY older than Elrond.) and Wood elves looking like Martians (or why the Return of the King did not have any sign of Legolas). And then there are those wierd "Orcs aren't so bad" bits (the dream sequence, and the song) (Though those are actually VERY canon, Tolkien never made up his mind if the orcs were inherently evil or just misled)
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Re: New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

Postby Havoc » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:22 pm

CrimsonCreed wrote:honestly this is defiantly a comic worth turning into a T.V show but idk at all if Bleedman has put the thought into turning this into an animation once finished. although i would like to see it happen (and i do hope one day it does) animators are going to have to edit out some of the story.

I think a PPGD/GT show, like most things in life, is just too epic to exist. Every think Bird said, pretty much sums it up.
But I'm perfectly fine with PPGD and GT as a comic really, lets me add my own soundtrack and voice acters (well in my head at least).

GrimlyLoveGunner wrote:Sugar Bits. Sugar Bits is what we should talk about being the show. It might be the lowest in popularity for bleedman, But it's varily original isn't it?

That's a good point. I've never really thought about it, but yes it is all original, isn't it. I wonder...do you think Bleed makes/could make a profit from it? I really don't know.
I'm not sure if this is true or not, but didn't Dave plan on selling Grim Tales: After Birth, on Shark Robot?

Well anyways, back to the comic. Do you think Blossom will be brought back to life, to play a part in this story? Y'know do to the sheer popularity of the AkuXBlossom romance.
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Re: New Grim Tales: "Capitalism at its Finest" (4/9/2013)

Postby Tuor » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:20 am

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