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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby The Mad Doctor » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:00 pm

This has gone quite insane. I know we had enough with one unexplained Blossom/Demon spawn, then theres a possible second that drove us bezerk. I keep on getting creeped out by this too. This Blossom-aku person may just be a replacement for the sexy badass side of Mimi, if she doesn't be reunited with her demon half anytime soon. I don't know why anyone woulf even come up with the insane idea of Blossom/demon couples too.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Blood Lord » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:08 pm

@: Bird: I can't answer that question for you.

However, in the discussion of why Blossom is doing this, it seems more likely that she isn't anything like Mandy, aka not a Underworld Slut Doll. Mandy is having kids out of a need for power (thus it hath been assumed), and has only bedded Nergal Jr and some unknown guy for Jr (its still possible she went to a sperm doner). Blossom's intentions are much different. IF things are holding out the way they appear, she was in a relationship with Aku and for some reason turned to Him for help, in which he wanted a daughter out of the deal. Him could have gotten the idea from the inspiration of Mandy. I think its harsh to group the two women together since they are different characters and act differently.

You my good sir, are blowing things out of proportion, assuming the worst, and acting on emotion that has no ground. In fact a few of you are doing the exact thing.

Spartan117 wrote:I know we had enough with one unexplained Blossom/Demon spawn

What is unexplained about Mimi? The details? That's about it.

Spartan117 wrote: This Blossom-aku person may just be a replacement for the sexy badass side of Mimi

You find a kimono sexy? Mimi will have her powers restored, make no mistake about that.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Birdofterror » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:16 pm

Blood Lord wrote:Mimi will have her powers restored, make no mistake about that.
B-But muh spoilers...!
Blood Lord wrote:You my good sir, are blowing things out of proportion, assuming the worst, and acting on emotion that has no ground. In fact a few of you are doing the exact thing.
Are you denying that 'demon children' isn't the cornerstone of every major plot twist in GT in its entirety? I mean Hell, wasn't Afterbirth based off of the concept completely? I am not mad at the concept- I am mad that this seems to be the only concept for this entire story!

If it's not X makes baby with Y it's finding out who's Z's father.
Blood Lord wrote:IF things are holding out the way they appear, she was in a relationship with Aku and for some reason turned to Him for help
Was this confirmed or is this just speculation? Because observation evidence doesn't really seem to point to this at all.
Blood Lord wrote:Him could have gotten the idea from the inspiration of Mandy.
You mean, fucking for power? I mean, how does Him increase in power from making a baby with Blossom? She isn't really above him.

I mean, the one who would have the motivation in a deal for power would be Blossom, not Him, am I wrong?
Spartan117 wrote:This has gone quite insane.
Well if it wasn't insane the first time, why is 'this' the straw that breaks the camel's back? Well the camel may yet have more broken backs in the future, because the path we are walking down- there is no stopping Blossom from having children as countless as there are demons with names, or in the case of Him- no names.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby The Mad Doctor » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:24 pm

I wasn't describing the kimono for whatever the hell you are implying, Blood Lord. Theres a possibility that we might not see the demon Mimi for a while. First of all, why would there be a need for a second demon girl? We already have Mimi who serves as a love interest/rival to junior, and comic relief at the same time. The love interest/rival part Mimi can do just fine without the demon half, but it's impossible to do the comic relief without it. And second of all, when Mandy separated Mimi from her demon half, it showed a interest in Minnie, after witnessing her destroying the talking Mandy-Melon thing (which I honestly don't know the name of).
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Birdofterror » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:26 pm

Oh, the Mandy melon? That's easy. Its name is Mandy.

If I'm not mistaken, Billy and Grim made it when they were bored one day.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Havoc » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:29 pm

Birdofterror wrote:My "How" is "why" is no-one on the production of the comic NOT objecting to this? It's basically the same shit over and over and OVER again. I mean, first it was Mandy fucking everything with superpowers, from Dark Danny to Grim to Nergal(Junior?) and everything and everyone in between.

But to have Blossom do it to? With Him and Aku? What's to have stopped her from fucking (And having a kid) With every major demon of hell? There is a point where we could have stopped before this got out of hand.

We have clearly passed that.

Okay let just calm down. I think Blood's on the right path.
For me it's all in the context. We can't prove anything right now. Who says her intercourse with either Aku or him was consensual, or if there was any sex involved at all.

Blood Lord wrote:You my good sir, are blowing things out of proportion, assuming the worst, and acting on emotion that has no ground. In fact a few of you are doing the exact thing.

I think we're jumping to conclusion (witch is easy to do when making predictions for something so unclear such as this).

Blood Lord wrote:Mimi will have her powers restored, make no mistake about that.

I don't know, there could be something entirely different in store for her. I don't that her returning to demon form is set in stone just yet.

Birdofterror wrote:My "How" is "why" is no-one on the production of the comic NOT objecting to this? It's basically the same shit over and over and OVER again. I mean, first it was Mandy fucking everything with superpowers, from Dark Danny to Grim to Nergal(Junior?) and everything and everyone in between.

This reminds me of that thread someone made awhile back titled "Why is Sex the Only way to make new Characters" or something like that. Personally, I'm having a hard time justifying the over use of this plot point.
But at the same time, I'm not really that bothered by it. As long as it's not overly abused, I guess it all comes down to how Bleed writes it.

So is Bleedman the only one writing this comic anymore, or does anyone else have a hand in it?
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Birdofterror » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:38 pm

Havoc751 wrote:This reminds me of that thread someone made awhile back titled "Why is Sex the Only way to make new Characters" or something like that.
Oh, right! I remember that thread!

Didn't it get shot down immediately? I mean, I think I was a part of it, but I'm really starting to feel like I'm in the same boat now.

Mimi was plenty interesting enough without getting Him involved- THEN Getting Blossom involved. Now we have this Aku Hellspawn who's only interesting features are her parents simply because of the way she was pitched to the readers.

She is not going to ever be her own character, no matter how hard they will try to make her now. She is simply Aku X Blossom.

I'm not even mad- or even disappointed in fact. It just seems like a wasted opportunity to introduce a truly interesting character on its own merits. This character was pitched soley on the fact of the paring, made even more solid by the fact that the character has CONFIRMED Parents without even having a name yet.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby askura » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:44 pm

Blood Lord wrote:The weird thing about this is that it is a popular couple. I scratch my head at it as to why, but it dwarfs the Blossom x Dexter pairing. I think it is interesting to see, but I haven't understood yet why it is an interesting couple.


I could explain it, but I'd probably get carried away. I made Aku/Blossom. Hence why I've just now crawled out of the woodwork with these updates...whoops :D

I'm pretty sure everything in this thread is speculation, considering we know 100% nothing about anything that's going to come up in this chapter. But it's fun to do this! Clearly, or we wouldn't do it for 5 pages straight. Who cares if we're right or wrong? We're throwing possibilities out to try and make sense of what's going on. Nothing is certain, yet.

Birdofterror wrote:there is no stopping Blossom from having children as countless as there are demons with names, or in the case of Him- no names.


I have to admit, I laughed pretty hard.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Blood Lord » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:46 pm

Birdofterror wrote:Are you denying that 'demon children' isn't the cornerstone of every major plot twist in GT in its entirety?

Not denying, commanding. (I'm joking)

It's not the twist of everything, and remember we are dealing with the children of superheroes. Established characters to original and custom characters need to be explained about who is whose parents. That origin's story is often an interesting and fascinating story to tell. If you don't, people are going to be wondering more about that then anything else that occurs in your comic. Look at Mimi, the only reason we got that is she is one of the most popular and fan requested character out there. And because shit hit the fuck with AfterBirth.

If you haven't noticed, this also takes place in the Underworld. Who lives here? People? Fuck that, Demons and Undead do.

So far, we've only explored Mimi's background, which really wasn't that earth shattering. And AfterBirth has been dismissed from the books.

Birdofterror wrote:Was this confirmed or is this just speculation? Because observation evidence doesn't really seem to point to this at all.

Which part?
The relationship with Aku is going off of line art Bleedman did for it a while back and general classifications of what would happen if the two characters meet.
The Blossom turning to Him for a deal part has been confirmed a few times in the comic.

Birdofterror wrote:I mean, how does Him increase in power from making a baby with Blossom? She isn't really above him.

Screwing for power, getting an heir for the Kingdom, etc. Him has two people now, including himself, who can wield tremendous power. His daughter is perfect to be recreated in his image to be a second Him. Mimi is forced/kept loyal to Him, Him goes out and seizes another realm or his daughter marries into another realm and he can take over. Its spreading of power and influence.

A heir, a blood-bound heir is worth more than the most loyal of henchmen.

Birdofterror wrote:I mean, the one who would have the motivation in a deal for power would be Blossom, not Him, am I wrong?

Kinda sorta yes no.

Blossom was placed in a situation where she didn't have the strength to do something, so she made a deal with a devil to fix that situation or save the life of someone she loved or people she loved (I am assuming it is a person due to Him's dialog earlier about deals). Him resolved the situation in return for an heir. Blossom did so, and (guessing here) she didn't want to give Mimi up to Him so he came in knocking.

Birdofterror wrote:What's to have stopped her from fucking (And having a kid) With every major demon of hell?

the fact that she's dead helps.

Spartan117 wrote:I wasn't describing the kimono for whatever the hell you are implying, Blood Lord.

You said that the girl was a replacement for the sexy demon side of Mimi, thus that this character is a sexual replacement for Mimi until she returns to her demon form. Thus by logical stepping stones here, you must find something about her sexy in such a context that you used. Possibly the hair, or the eyes, but there is a greater reason to believe (backed by evidence of studies) that there is actually a greater sexual attraction from men to women when they have to imagine what they (women) are wearing underneath.

A Kimono is a Japanese dress, the one that this figure is wearing is such a type. I went with what was statistically more likely for sex appeal.

Personal, I like leather and boots.

Spartan117 wrote:First of all, why would there be a need for a second demon girl?

Because we need to expand the universe and have more to deal with.
Let me give you an example, why are there more than one Spartan in the Halo series? Same basic idea.

Also, this is the Underworld, who do you expect to be living there?

Spartan117 wrote:And second of all, when Mandy separated Mimi from her demon half, it showed a interest in Minnie

We've discussed this before. The symbiote is attracted to negative emotions.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Birdofterror » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:52 pm

askura wrote:I have to admit, I laughed pretty hard.
Oh- thanks! I try.
Blood Lord wrote:Look at Mimi, the only reason we got that is she is one of the most popular and fan requested character out there.
Oh, a question about Mimi by the way, the same as Minimandy and Grim Jr...

Wasn't "Her" a complete character 'before' Bleedman put her in the story then decided to give her an actual backstory? Is this character the same? Is this Aku/Blossom girl a predetermined one already made by someone else- or does Bleedman actually feel like stretching his creative bones this time?
Blood Lord wrote:The Blossom turning to Him for a deal part has been confirmed a few times in the comic.
I was under the impressions that they were more along the line of Implications rather than actual confirmations, but I digress.

I know everything here is here to stay and I personally have nothing against this character, in fact I'm more than just a little excited to see her fall into place within this story, I'm just a little cross at the fact that is is YET ANOTHER character born of pre-existing characters, and not just ANY pre-existing characters, Blossom- again.
Blood Lord wrote:A heir, a blood-bound heir is worth more than the most loyal of henchmen.
Very good point. I retract my question.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Blood Lord » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:01 pm

Wasn't "Her" a complete character 'before' Bleedman put her in the story then decided to give her an actual backstory? Is this character the same? Is this Aku/Blossom girl a predetermined one already made by someone else- or does Bleedman actually feel like stretching his creative bones this time?

I have no idea if there was a Her before Mimi. I would assume due to fanfictions of PpG that the idea isn't completely new, like superheroes using capes. I don't know if he used her like he did Minnie and Jr. and just borrowed the idea from someone else. I haven't heard anything about it.

Same goes for the Aku girl. The first time I was exposed to the idea, Aku and Blossom had twins that looked more like Aku, and Aku and Blossom ruled the world as supreme overlords. That was a mindfuck to wrap around. I think Blossom killed her sisters in that one too, but I'm not sure on that.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Birdofterror » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:04 pm

Blood Lord wrote:Same goes for the Aku girl. The first time I was exposed to the idea, Aku and Blossom had twins that looked more like Aku, and Aku and Blossom ruled the world as supreme overlords. That was a mindfuck to wrap around. I think Blossom killed her sisters in that one too, but I'm not sure on that.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby The Mad Doctor » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:04 pm

yes, I know blood lord, the symiote is attracted to negative emotions, which is what I meant. The thing I'm talking about is the possibility that we might not have the demon Mimi for a while. And yes, you do have a point about the universe to explore alowing more stories in the setting. But my best guess on the character of the Blossom-aku girl, is she might be new comic relief. That is if we don't get demon Mimi soon.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby K13-ZAR » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:08 pm

man I hope the next page will be posted soon because I've found that this arguement has become annoying and confusing with everyone throwing theories out like there's no tomorrow. Hell, I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Havoc » Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:43 pm

K13-ZAR wrote:man I hope the next page will be posted soon because I've found that this arguement has become annoying and confusing with everyone throwing theories out like there's no tomorrow. Hell, I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore

Patience, a new page will be up soon enough (after all, this is currently the most frequently up dated Bleed-comic). As for the theories, well, there's a lot of interesting things going on, that we know so little about. For the most part we're kinda just stumbling around in the dark on this one.

EDIT: Damn, all of this publicity sure is taking all of the attention away from the other comics. :|
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Mon-Kitsune » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:48 am

Blood Lord wrote:
Spartan117 wrote:I wasn't describing the kimono for whatever the hell you are implying, Blood Lord.

You said that the girl was a replacement for the sexy demon side of Mimi, thus that this character is a sexual replacement for Mimi until she returns to her demon form. Thus by logical stepping stones here, you must find something about her sexy in such a context that you used. Possibly the hair, or the eyes, but there is a greater reason to believe (backed by evidence of studies) that there is actually a greater sexual attraction from men to women when they have to imagine what they (women) are wearing underneath.

A Kimono is a Japanese dress, the one that this figure is wearing is such a type. I went with what was statistically more likely for sex appeal.

Personal, I like leather and boots.


Aku is (nominally) Japanese and (given his age) basically feudal Japanese. As I mentioned, Akette (I'm going to use this name as a placeholder until we find out her real one, since writing "Aku's daughter" again and again is wearing out my wrists) has a sort of pseudo-geisha look, and to a Feudal Japanese man, that IS the epitome of beautiful and sexy; there is no more desirable way for a female to look. Dead white face, tiny mouth (okay Akette doesn't have that) fancy hair, elaborate Kinmono, tiny feet (okay we don't know if she has this either. Actually it may be funny to see down the road, since Bleed likes to draw his characters feet quite large). To a Feudal Japanese man, all of this is supposed to be a punch straight in the libido.
Actually there is one odd question I want to ask vis a vis why Hin and Aku wanted kids. The concept of "having an heir" was brough up. My question is, why would either Him or Aku want and heir in the first place. Both of them are presumably immortal (in the sense of not having a natural lifespan, not in the sense of being unkillable) so they really don't need one. And there is always the possibiliy of your offspring trying to off you to take your place (to borrow a line from Terry Prachett on the same situation, "When you are a vampire, you aren't raising children, you're raising competitors") Unless both Him and Aku are trying to play the same game Mandy is (Have a lot of children so she has plenty of ammuntion for trying to establish blood ties to every throne in the underworld) Heirs don't make all that much sense.
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby GrimlyLoveGunner » Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:04 pm

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This thread is beautiful. We're all confused to all hell and arguing the possibilities of our theories. There's so many, I can't wait for all of them to be wrong. It always happens. Always.

I think Blood Lords right on the logic but relate to everyone who's sick and pissed of what an Aku x Blossom child entails. askura's hitting all the high notes on good, creative possiblities on how this could work, but like I said. I'm nearly positive we will all be wrong when the next page comes out. Which is killing me BTW. We needit like grass needs chemically infused fertilizer.

I'm going to go read Hetalia, where you only need to look at a History book to find out what happens next. You guys have fun, as I said, I give up until it's canonly explained.

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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby askura » Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:19 pm

Mon-Kitsune wrote:Aku is (nominally) Japanese and (given his age) basically feudal Japanese. As I mentioned, Akette (I'm going to use this name as a placeholder until we find out her real one, since writing "Aku's daughter" again and again is wearing out my wrists) has a sort of pseudo-geisha look, and to a Feudal Japanese man, that IS the epitome of beautiful and sexy; there is no more desirable way for a female to look. Dead white face, tiny mouth (okay Akette doesn't have that) fancy hair, elaborate Kinmono, tiny feet (okay we don't know if she has this either. Actually it may be funny to see down the road, since Bleed likes to draw his characters feet quite large). To a Feudal Japanese man, all of this is supposed to be a punch straight in the libido.


That's disturbing considering she's probably going to be the same age as the other kids, in the 10-13 range. Maybe Aku and Him really WILL be alike. :fuckedup:


Mon-Kitsune wrote:Actually there is one odd question I want to ask vis a vis why Hin and Aku wanted kids. The concept of "having an heir" was brough up. My question is, why would either Him or Aku want and heir in the first place. Both of them are presumably immortal (in the sense of not having a natural lifespan, not in the sense of being unkillable) so they really don't need one. And there is always the possibiliy of your offspring trying to off you to take your place (to borrow a line from Terry Prachett on the same situation, "When you are a vampire, you aren't raising children, you're raising competitors") Unless both Him and Aku are trying to play the same game Mandy is (Have a lot of children so she has plenty of ammuntion for trying to establish blood ties to every throne in the underworld) Heirs don't make all that much sense.


It's something to do. Him "raised" the Rowdyruff Boys for a time in the show, probably just to have something to build and corrupt. Same with Mimi. I also wouldn't put it past Him to have asked for a child from Blossom to spite her in exchange for whatever she wanted, ESPECIALLY in this particular universe. He is the story's "Big Bad".

Aku is somewhat different, a little more complicated. He's a creature of obsession, and if Jack is gone, who will he turn to for entertainment? Well, he really enjoys the company of kids or else he wouldn't hang out with them all the time and never punish them, even when they say things that could get an adult killed (Factoring the comics canon into this). A kid that's just like him would be even better to have around. I think he would genuinely want to be a parent, as opposed to Him who apparently only wanted Mimi after she'd already matured enough to take care of herself and think for herself and could be useful, and only uses her.

I guess what I mean is that Him wants more tools to use in manipulating and fucking up people, and Aku might go that route but it's more likely that he'd just get bored or lonely and want a kid for company. Of course that's also where it seems like it could take a turn for the fucked up, considering he's apparently dressing her like a wife ;___; oh god i just really hope he's the better parent compared to Him And there's also no way of determining at this point how much Blossom herself was involved and if she had any say or sway in Aku's decision to have a kid.

As for the fear of the children overthrowing their parents, Him will probably have to deal with that sooner or later. I'd like to think that since his knowlege/intelligence is already being highlighted, Aku is smart enough to know that mistreating your child will make them hate you and lash out at you and is incredibly counterproductive. He of all people should know that the need for vengeance is one of the most powerful motives in existence.

GrimlyLoveGunner wrote:askura's hitting all the high notes on good, creative possiblities on how this could work,

Why thank you!

I have a feeling you're right though. Maybe we'll never see it coming, whatever it is, whenever it happens...the next page might not even answer anything, just present more questions. (I think I might piss fire if that happens though. I'm literally going crazy over the next update).
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Re: New Grim Tales Comic:Tourists Guide to the Underworld 4/3/13

Postby Mon-Kitsune » Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:23 pm

askura wrote:
Mon-Kitsune wrote:Aku is (nominally) Japanese and (given his age) basically feudal Japanese. As I mentioned, Akette (I'm going to use this name as a placeholder until we find out her real one, since writing "Aku's daughter" again and again is wearing out my wrists) has a sort of pseudo-geisha look, and to a Feudal Japanese man, that IS the epitome of beautiful and sexy; there is no more desirable way for a female to look. Dead white face, tiny mouth (okay Akette doesn't have that) fancy hair, elaborate Kinmono, tiny feet (okay we don't know if she has this either. Actually it may be funny to see down the road, since Bleed likes to draw his characters feet quite large). To a Feudal Japanese man, all of this is supposed to be a punch straight in the libido.


That's disturbing considering she's probably going to be the same age as the other kids, in the 10-13 range. Maybe Aku and Him really WILL be alike. :fuckedup:


Well it seems the norm here. Come to think of it, "pimping out" their children when they are unsually young was a pretty normal thing to do amoung high families in OUR world once. But I'm not all that worried for her. Remember when I claimed Mimi might have the makings of a cock-tease in her? Well based on the expression on her face, I think Akette may prove to be la belle dame sans merci of the underworld. People are going to be willing to DIE to get her favors, but she will never give them. She will likey rule like a Mikado (or whatever the female of Mikado is) surrounded by fawning courtiers and faithful eunuchs (many of whom probably weren't eunuchs until they tied to get near her).

askura wrote:As for the fear of the children overthrowing their parents, Him will probably have to deal with that sooner or later. I'd like to think that since his knowlege/intelligence is already being highlighted, Aku is smart enough to know that mistreating your child will make them hate you and lash out at you and is incredibly counterproductive. He of all people should know that the need for vengeance is one of the most powerful motives in existence.


Or why he retired; cede power voluntarily while he can and so save his neck (if Akette is already in power, she doesn't have to kill him to take the throne) or mayble he wants to leave Akette in the spotlight to mantain the power in the shadows. The shapeshifting master of Darkenss probably makes an excellent emiance grise (well, "eminence noir")
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