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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:53 pm 
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I'm in love with a girl in my home town but im sorta in a distance "relationship" with someone else. And i put quotations over relationship because I don't really count it as a relationship but she does.

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EagleMan, do you have any goals?
Anything that you would like to work towards?
In the mean time I would consider seeing someone about this.

Millo, you should have made it clear to the first girl that you had no interest in a relationship anymore.
And by in love do you mean that you two are dating?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:50 pm 
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No not dating, just talking. Hell I don't even know if she has a boyfriend or not, i'm too afraid to ask because i might not like the answer. And it's not like i was expecting this, i enjoy talking to the other girl but any mention of us not in a relationship will just result to no more talking. Even though i'm not doing anything i still feel guilty

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:24 pm 
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Just make it clear that you aren't.
If she continues to lend a deaf ear it's her fault.
And tell the other girl how you feel.
Even if you don't like the answer you won't find out any other way.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:34 pm 
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i suppose thats true

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:33 pm 
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EM.

I have had a similar experience as you're having now.

It feels like its not even worth it to get out of bed anymore, right?

Nothing feels real, or even matters, because in the end, nothing you do will really feel fulfilling.

I'd like to suggest something,

Get a puppy. I know it sounds weird, but think about it this way. To have a creature love you unconditionally, to entirely depend on you, will give your life some semblance of meaning, yes?

I personally felt like this before I made an effort at improving my life.

Remember when I was extremely cynical? That happened after I reached the end of the path that you're on.


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SO!

I mentioned in the Vahallentine's Day thread that I hung out with this girl and played Mario and etc.

So last night I asked our mutual friend if she was, in fact, single. She kinda laughed and said that she (Jen) had asked the same thing about me WHICH IS WEIRD.

And today Jen comes into the theater I work at and says to me "yes, i am single" and that is ALSO WEIRD because I am incredibly NOT used to women being that forward with me. She told me that she had nothing to do all week and that we should hang out.

So that's not really an issue at all, but the potentially troubling thing is that she used to date one of the managers at the theater and that might cause a bit of conflict between him and I.

Other than that though, this is kind of a cool situation?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:40 pm 
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Yes, that is a kickass situation.

Go for it.


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If he fires you because of that then he takes things way to personally.
Go for it.

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i don't think he'd actually be able to fire me for personal reasons, but i'm on my last strike at that job so anything could happen. *shrug*

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Dude, if he actually fired you for that, then FUCK him.

Seriously, you shouldn't even work for someone that damn insecure.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:23 pm 
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Ya, seriously, it shouldn't matter. Get some of dat

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Especially since she's the one being forward.


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Plow her like an amish man's field.

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i don't plow Amish men's fields.

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Also, the worry isn't actually that I'd get fired for dating this girl. The worry is that I think he's a cool guy and him hating me would kinda suck. *shrug*

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If he has an issue with it that bad, then I doubt he's that cool a guy. But that's me.

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Eagleman wrote:
There is a bit of partial identification that I have with Patrick Bateman as the following quote reads:
“...there is an idea of a Patrick Bateman, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.”

Has anyone felt like this or perhaps known someone like that? I've felt this way mostly my whole life, but the detachment just keeps growing greater, and I've never found a way to ground myself.


For the record I've felt like that. When I tried to convey it here way back when I was taken the wrong way as you mentioned that you didn't want to be.

All I can say is that reality sucks, people are ignorant, I'm currently on a rant, the grass is always less well-trimmed wherever you are, and I am also bored.

Though I suppose not as much as I used to be for whatever reason. Dreams used to be the high point of my day until I reached the point of typical college sleep deprivation. I rarely have them now so I am forced to write them down to make them last. Now I spend my free time seeking truths of the world, not general truths but hidden or at least buried ones. But of course when I try to explain this pursuit to others I am looked at as a fool who chases what doesn't exist or wouldn't make sense. Or I am simply ignored. But that's just how life works, ey?

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EagleMan, do you have any goals?
Anything that you would like to work towards?
In the mean time I would consider seeing someone about this.

I had once. She seemed highly confused as to why I was there and honestly didn't have a clue what was wrong with me. She expressed a wish that all her other patients were like me. Either way I got bounced around a few therapists, never doing anything more than intake sessions (so I never had a real session at any rate). I got tested for high functioning autism but I didn't qualify because I lacked the physical characteristics of it (e.g. arm flapping or something), though she suggested I may be a schizoid but she wouldn't diagnose since I'm still young which is fair enough.
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EM.

I have had a similar experience as you're having now.

It feels like its not even worth it to get out of bed anymore, right?

Nothing feels real, or even matters, because in the end, nothing you do will really feel fulfilling.

I'd like to suggest something,

Get a puppy. I know it sounds weird, but think about it this way. To have a creature love you unconditionally, to entirely depend on you, will give your life some semblance of meaning, yes?

I personally felt like this before I made an effort at improving my life.

Remember when I was extremely cynical? That happened after I reached the end of the path that you're on.

I already had a puppy a year ago and he's still basically a puppy now. There's no cynicism. There's no negativity. There's nothing positive either. I recall the path you were on where you wanted to crush your feelings. I am not destroying them, I am losing them. I had made an effort to improve my life. And I achieved these "improvements" in many respects. And the return was nothing. There was no catharsis, no sudden clarity of mind, no burst of feeling nor flurry of passion. In a qualitative sense I have nothing to improve on, at least in the sense that I am not lacking for any foundation, as any person can always improve on something. If my life was condensed to a spreadsheet, the future would look promising, but what can be measured betrays what cannot be measured. My creative works beget me no pleasure. My grades give me nothing. Social interaction fails to stir anything in me. The good deeds I've done in the past rouse little. There is nothing recreational I care enough to spend money on, and any money I get just accumulates until a necessity rears its head. Life is just a blur. Yesterday I was a 12 year old kid who joined this forum from a link on Wikpedia. Tomorrow I'll be 26 and it'll be 2020. I ask today where the time has gone since then, and I will be asking the same question in 7 years, and I know I will be powerless to satisfy that question as it is a question I have already tried to fulfill. Spending my grade school years attempting to savor the moment, even consciously so at times knowing I would be vexed with that question soon enough again, as I am now, means nothing to me now. It is irrelevant what I do. Time decays it all into the same black shroud of memory. Cynicism does not fog it though. I hold a very optimistic view of the world, perhaps more than most, but such optimism can only be expressed intellectually.
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If he has an issue with it that bad, then I doubt he's that cool a guy. But that's me.

People aren't binary good/bad guys. He can still be a good guy but get jealous if some other guy is dating his ex. No one's perfect.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:25 am 
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So you don't experience any positive emotions or negative emotions? Can you/do you enjoy music? Do you have any libido?

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I wouldn't say that in absolute terms, just that they're extremely stunted. I have to think about how I feel. If someone asks me how I'm feeling the honest answer can be I don't know, which has made for a few annoyed people in the past who thought I was just refusing to open up, which ironically makes for a rejection of the "real" me.

At any rate, music's alright, and I've never really had a libido to speak of. Puberty just went by with purely physical changes.


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Oh, so you can feel emotions just not as strongly as you think you should? It's interesting that you can enjoy music.

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Hmm.

Well, there is one more solution I could think of.

A journey.

When I was 18, the first thing I did when I left the house was the Appalachian Trail.

2 months of hiking. I got from Georgia to Pennsylvania.

It was amazing, you know. The feeling of being out in the wild, meeting hikers along the way, being at peace with nature.

Damn, I'm planning on doing the whole thing, one day.

Anyway, my point is, you need to undertake a journey like that. Not necessarily hiking the Appalachian Trail, but a trip in which you discover yourself.


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Oh, so you can feel emotions just not as strongly as you think you should? It's interesting that you can enjoy music.

It depends on what you mean by enjoy. Does tasting good food mean you're having an emotional reaction, or just that you're tasting something good? Touching something soft?

Plus no one has no emotions, there are parts of the brain devoted to it. I would just say they're very stunted. To answer yes, while technically correct, might seem misleading as to imply they're merely repressed or something.

Anyways, I'm still going to have to make money over the summer, so such a long journey may not be feasible. Plus that's basically what I've always imagined I would do if I stopped caring enough about my life as is, I see myself homeless just as easily I see myself in a successful career 10 years from now. There are physical issues with being homeless, food, shelter, etc., but it's also important to consider that you're also completely free of artificial stress. There wouldn't be worry about bosses, about bills, about all that mundane stuff that forces undue importance into your mind to stress you out. Homeless beggars on average actually make more money than people making minimum wage. And homelessness (or a hiking/backpacking journey) might activate more visceral instincts to coax out that feeling of being alive. And it's not like anyone starves to death in America, and comforts have never really been much a desire of mine. But that's all something for young people. It's not like I could do it into my 70s. Most people largely go on the paths that are laid out before them. They don't really explore new ones. They might think they have choice because a couple were laid out before them, but that's still only choosing from options given them, not an option you gave yourself.


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Well, you gotta change something, EM.

It seems that this mindset of apathy will only go away once you find something to care about.

I think you should do the Appalachian trail, but its up to you, in the end.


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