BobSagat wrote:Oh so it is Spam's personal club.
Comedy is often the best prophecy, but Warbear, on the last post of the last page, said this:
Warbear wrote:BobSagat wrote:Oh so it is Spam's personal club.
Oh sorry, I suppose I wasn't aware that Vegedus, Rival, Ro Wong, Dorian, and Archrival were natives of Spam. My apologies.
I said it was an inside joke that Spam has, not that it was a club for Spam. If it was only for Spam, we'd only have Spammers in the group. If it was only for Spam, this thread wouldn't be global. If it was only for Spam, discussions about it wouldn't take place in nearly every subforum.
Get your head outta your ass.
So you can yell at him about that and how it doesn't matter since the majority of people are from spam since obviously people from spam are going to lead this forum to ruin and destruction, the motherfuckers!
Here's the suggestion to improve things then: Get rid of the Gold club.
That would be an improvement.
It is unnecessary. We have so many active mods now that they should be able to handle the job of improving the forum or whatever.
When did you stop being a mod? I ask because I want you to know just how wrong you are. The Floodgates raised? Sure, easy. No problem. No forum growth, but no problem. Want me to turn them off for a day to see how many bots we ban in the next 24 hours?
If you want input from forumers about how to improve the forum, then perhaps make a thread like this one and leave it stickied where people can just go and suggest things and discuss said changes. Who gives a shit if they're a veteran or if they've been here a week. All that really matters is the quality of their ideas/suggestions.
I don't want people to come into this forum and abuse an "anybody with an idea post here" thread because those threads get overlooked. They have in the past, and the only reason this one isn't is because of decisions I've made to make it hard to avoid. So people who want to do things with the community should be able to have some way to voice concerns that matter to them, having demonstrated being a part of the community, in a place where they won't get bogged down by LOLOLOLOL.
No matter how many times you say 'it's not going to turn into an elitist club' it's always going to look that way to outsiders. What Bob said pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Does it? Let's see.
BobSagat wrote:If your intention was to create a club based around creating a better forum then having a club calling itself the Gold Card club is of course going to reek of elitism. It's a title that immediately elevates yourselves as betters.
In the CURRENT GLOBAL RULES. Veterans are unknowable to newbies but told to be given respect. The only way a Newbie can recognize a Veteran is by post count and join date. Newbies are to be assumed naive about the forums, and might not understand the importance of a Veteran through those concepts. Color of any sort would help reduce the amount of times a moderator would have to come to a thread because a newbie yelled FUCK OFF at a Veteran trying to help. And since we plan on having multiple colors, this issue becomes more complex than simply one grade of elitism. Hence caste system.
The gold color that clashes against the entire aesthetic of the website is part of that problem, it's really no better than just having a neon pink title. It's only purpose is to scream for everyone's attention. And for what purpose exactly do you need such an obnoxious color? To inform everyone that you're part of the exclusive club and everyone else isn't?
jesus christ i just picked that particular gold color at random. Valhallen is scientifically fucking measuring the clash on a redistribution of colors to less obtrusive under SHIFTING FORUM STYLE SHEETS.
and to be able to have veterans solve issues before mods need to is showing off?Moderators have their names colored so that people understand when a post is speaking with authority. Having ordinary forum members given colored names over others serves no purpose other than to show off.
You can still do all you guys intend to do with improving the forums, but having your names colored gold does nothing to serve that purpose.
And I disagree. Back to Dorian.
Dorian wrote:The colored name has no purpose. If you're that interested in helping the forum you should do so without the incentive of having a different colored name.
It's not incentive. It is indicative of that user having done something right, yes, but ultimately, none of this matters, which is why Gold Card people would be held to very strict standards to remain gold, so as to prevent the elitism of which you are so very fucking afraid.
I'm not really seeing the gold forum being used anyway. If changes are coming then shouldn't those people be involved if that's what the whole intent of the gold club is? I don't see much discussion in there about anything in particular. But that's not really a complaint. I'd prefer the mods to be the ones to have the discussions and make the decisions.
The mods do discuss things, but unless you want me to mod MORE people, the majority of which would still be from Spam, we need another way for users to make suggestions in a serious environment, for which the idea of a hidden senate would be ideal.
No matter how many times we tell you this is only a test version of something much more complicated, no matter how many times we explain that the only punitive measure we make in such a system is a stalled advancement by one or more criterion, you all want to shit on it because you don't believe, ultimately, that we're competent enough to handle it. I get it. So jump from the sinking ship, if you feel that this reorganization will ultimately fuck everything up.
Also I vote not to change the forum color scheme. This one is good.
I personally hate it, but because it's important that people are afraid of changes, I've compromised with the idea of giving individual forums their own look and feel via style-sheets, while keeping the main general discussion areas untouched.
And we'll change the fucking gold color that everyone hates that I picked at random.