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Postby Wulfespinndel » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:00 pm

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-seeke ... 51682.html

SEATTLE (AP) — When Justin Bassett interviewed for a new job, he expected the usual questions about experience and references. So he was astonished when the interviewer asked for something else: his Facebook username and password.

Bassett, a New York City statistician, had just finished answering a few character questions when the interviewer turned to her computer to search for his Facebook page. But she couldn't see his private profile. She turned back and asked him to hand over his login information.

Bassett refused and withdrew his application, saying he didn't want to work for a company that would seek such personal information. But as the job market steadily improves, other job candidates are confronting the same question from prospective employers, and some of them cannot afford to say no.
In their efforts to vet applicants, some companies and government agencies are going beyond merely glancing at a person's social networking profiles and instead asking to log in as the user to have a look around.

"It's akin to requiring someone's house keys," said Orin Kerr, a George Washington University law professor and former federal prosecutor who calls it "an egregious privacy violation."
Questions have been raised about the legality of the practice, which is also the focus of proposed legislation in Illinois and Maryland that would forbid public agencies from asking for access to social networks.

Since the rise of social networking, it has become common for managers to review publically available Facebook profiles, Twitter accounts and other sites to learn more about job candidates. But many users, especially on Facebook, have their profiles set to private, making them available only to selected people or certain networks.

Companies that don't ask for passwords have taken other steps — such as asking applicants to friend human resource managers or to log in to a company computer during an interview. Once employed, some workers have been required to sign non-disparagement agreements that ban them from talking negatively about an employer on social media.

Asking for a candidate's password is more prevalent among public agencies, especially those seeking to fill law enforcement positions such as police officers or 911 dispatchers.

Back in 2010, Robert Collins was returning to his job as a security guard at the Maryland Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services after taking a leave following his mother's death. During a reinstatement interview, he was asked for his login and password, purportedly so the agency could check for any gang affiliations. He was stunned by the request but complied.
"I needed my job to feed my family. I had to," he recalled,

After the ACLU complained about the practice, the agency amended its policy, asking instead for job applicants to log in during interviews.

"To me, that's still invasive. I can appreciate the desire to learn more about the applicant, but it's still a violation of people's personal privacy," said Collins, whose case inspired Maryland's legislation.
Until last year, the city of Bozeman, Mont., had a long-standing policy of asking job applicants for passwords to their email addresses, social-networking websites and other online accounts.

And since 2006, the McLean County, Ill., sheriff's office has been one of several Illinois sheriff's departments that ask applicants to sign into social media sites to be screened.

Chief Deputy Rusty Thomas defended the practice, saying applicants have a right to refuse. But no one has ever done so. Thomas said that "speaks well of the people we have apply."

When asked what sort of material would jeopardize job prospects, Thomas said "it depends on the situation" but could include "inappropriate pictures or relationships with people who are underage, illegal behavior."
In Spotsylvania County, Va., the sheriff's department asks applicants to friend background investigators for jobs at the 911 dispatch center and for law enforcement positions.

"In the past, we've talked to friends and neighbors, but a lot of times we found that applicants interact more through social media sites than they do with real friends," said Capt. Mike Harvey. "Their virtual friends will know more about them than a person living 30 yards away from them."

Harvey said investigators look for any "derogatory" behavior that could damage the agency's reputation.

E. Chandlee Bryan, a career coach and co-author of the book "The Twitter Job Search Guide," said job seekers should always be aware of what's on their social media sites and assume someone is going to look at it.

Bryan said she is troubled by companies asking for logins, but she feels it's not a violation if an employer asks to see a Facebook profile through a friend request. And she's not troubled by non-disparagement agreements.

"I think that when you work for a company, they are essentially supporting you in exchange for your work. I think if you're dissatisfied, you should go to them and not on a social media site," she said.
More companies are also using third-party applications to scour Facebook profiles, Bryan said. One app called BeKnown can sometimes access personal profiles, short of wall messages, if a job seeker allows it.

Sears is one of the companies using apps. An applicant has the option of logging into the Sears job site through Facebook by allowing a third-party application to draw information from the profile, such as friend lists.

Sears Holdings Inc. spokeswoman Kim Freely said using a Facebook profile to apply allows Sears to be updated on the applicant's work history.

The company assumes "that people keep their social profiles updated to the minute, which allows us to consider them for other jobs in the future or for ones that they may not realize are available currently," she said.

Giving out Facebook login information violates the social network's terms of service. But those terms have no real legal weight, and experts say the legality of asking for such information remains murky.
The Department of Justice regards it as a federal crime to enter a social networking site in violation of the terms of service, but during recent congressional testimony, the agency said such violations would not be prosecuted.

But Lori Andrews, law professor at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law specializing in Internet privacy, is concerned about the pressure placed on applicants, even if they voluntarily provide access to social sites.

"Volunteering is coercion if you need a job," Andrews said.

Neither Facebook nor Twitter responded to repeated requests for comment.

In New York, Bassett considered himself lucky that he was able to turn down the consulting gig at a lobbying firm.

"I think asking for account login credentials is regressive," he said. "If you need to put food on the table for your three kids, you can't afford to stand up for your belief."


What the fuck is this shit?

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT!?!?!

The reason why I care is because I don't have a Facebook account! And what If you don't? I need a legitimate answer than being considered "anti-social"!
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Sentios » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:22 pm

Rosso Rose wrote:WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT!?!?!


It's character policing, companies want you to be a good little lapdog even in your private social life.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Glahardt » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:13 pm

New hot stuff: When going into an interview, record the entire conversation.
If they asked for your password and you refused, end up not getting the job, spread it on the internets.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby WiNg0o » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:40 pm

Most every phone has a recorder on it just place it on your knee when you sit down for the interview.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Hana » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:55 pm

As I understand it, they only tend to ask if you 1, have an account, and 2, have it set to private.

Still, it's a gross invasion of privacy, and no one should stand for it, imo.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Mir@k » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:14 pm

It's curious how that article rephrased something i said to a potential boss, i went looking for a job last week and the guy who was going to hire me tried to pull that shit off too, weird thing is that i told him "fine, can i have a copy of your house's key's too?", i can't believe the guy ha the nerve to act insulted when he basically asked the same from me.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Dorian » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:22 am

Mirak wrote:It's curious how that article rephrased something i said to a potential boss, i went looking for a job last week and the guy who was going to hire me tried to pull that shit off too, weird thing is that i told him "fine, can i have a copy of your house's key's too?", i can't believe the guy ha the nerve to act insulted when he basically asked the same from me.


Yes I am sure this is a thing that actually happened.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Grey » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:41 am

hi my name's dorian and rather than contribute to the conversation i'm just gonna shit all over what someone said because i'm soooooo cynical and blahblahalwaysrightblah

and so to not be hypocritical, i will now contribute to the conversation:

this is the exact reason i don't have my real name on my facebook profile. i have some decent leeway to work with if i get asked for it, as i can just pretend i don't have one, as searching my real name heeds only strangers as results and i've turned off the "allow people to find your facebook if they have your email" setting

niggas need to be wary of how much of themself they put online.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Sentios » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:51 pm

I honestly don't even remember my facebook info it was all fake since I only needed the account to play some random flash game (which I don't remember either).
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Dorian » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:49 pm

Grey wrote:hi my name's dorian and rather than contribute to the conversation i'm just gonna shit all over what someone said because i'm soooooo cynical and blahblahalwaysrightblah.


Yes precisely.

And yeah you should be real scared of putting your real name on your Facebook.

Seriously what are you really afraid of? You can set all your shit to private. When I had my interview they asked if I had a profile. I said yes. Guess what happened after that? Nothing.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Spooky Spider Tiki » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:00 pm

You are aware that people have been fired over this, yes it is a bit serious if you can become unemployed over a simple comment on a topic, it's invasion of privacy , and what's worse is you have two options, either don't post how you really feel, or delete your account completely. Yes, it does matter when a company can use something as simple as a comment on music as an excuse to fire you months down the road.

Does it happen to everyone, no , but saying it doesn't matter just because it didn't happen to you is stupid
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Mathias » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:09 pm

Dorian wrote:Guess what happened after that? Nothing.

So you didn't get the job?
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Dorian » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:18 pm

Yes I got the job. I meant nothing happened in regards to them caring about my Facebook profile.

And Nemesis_Void if your profile is set to private they can't see your goddamn comments, that was my point.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby NeoWarrior7 » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:20 pm

I thought the point was they asked for your password so they can see the stuff you set to private?
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Dorian » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:22 pm

Well my response was mostly talking about how Grey went far enough to use a fake profile so his employers couldn't ever find him. I said that was unnecessary.

If they ask for your password then fuck them. I would never work for a company that did that.

Unless they literally offered me like 100 thousand a year. I mean I rarely use facebook so if they wanted to pay me a lot to see the nothing I post ever then they could be my guest.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Mathias » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:30 pm

There's a former member who went to such great lengths to delete every trace of himself from the Internet so that employers wouldn't trace him.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Dorian » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:43 pm

Mathias wrote:There's a former member who went to such great lengths to delete every trace of himself from the Internet so that employers wouldn't trace him.


Depending on your job I could see that being necessary. Maybe you work in politics, or you write for a publication. Maybe you work for a company that strives to keep its public image really pure like Disney.

If you work at Starbucks, probably not.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Mathias » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:02 pm

He wants to be an engineer. I dunno the specifics unless he wants to be an imagineer.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby octodexy » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:03 pm

My company attempted this. They asked us to log onto our facebooks for HR so that they can see what we're posting. The majority of us told them to get fucked. The implication is that people can show them what you post if you're friends with them, just as easily.

There are ways to find everything on the internet, people are mad.
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Sentios » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:44 am

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402297,00.asp

House Republicans on Wednesday defeated an amendment that would have banned current or prospective employers from requiring workers to hand over personal passwords as a condition of keeping or getting a new job.

"What this amendment does is it says that you cannot demand, as a condition of employment, that somebody reveal a confidential password to their Facebook, to their Flickr, to their Twitter, whatever their account may be," Rep. Ed Perlmutter, the Colorado Democrat who authored the amendment, said during a Wednesday floor speech.

The amendment, however, which was added to a larger FCC reform package, was defeated this afternoon by a vote of 236 to 185. It was largely split down party lines, with 183 Democrats voting in favor of the amendment and 234 Republicans voting against it.

The issue made headlines recently when it was reported that some employers were asking workers or applicants to hand over their Facebook passwords or allow employers to look over their shoulders as they clicked through their accounts. The publicity over the issue prompted Facebook to step up and say the practice was against its terms of service.

In an interview with PCMag today, Fred Wolens, Facebook's public policy manager, said the company opted to make a public statement because "there were a lot of questions and implications that I'm not sure employers were considering when engaging in these practices."

Chief among them, he said, was the fact that by signing into an employee's Facebook account, employers were not only gaining access to their worker's account but the accounts of friends who showed up on the newsfeed.

"You're very fundamentally breaking the privacy of not just [your employee] but their friends," Wolens said.

There's also a liability issue, he continued. A Facebook profile might contain information about disability or pregnancy status, which could open a company up to employee discrimination suits.

"We give users control [over their information], and when you give away your password, it fundamentally changes your relationship with Facebook," Wolens said. "Employers would not ask people for their email passwords or bank account statement, and I think the implications are very similar, if not the same, to peoples' Facebook passwords."

Late last week, Sens. Chuck Schumer and Richard Blumenthal asked the Justice Department and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission to investigate whether employee password requests violate federal law. Wolens said today that Facebook looks forward "to engaging with lawmakers on this issue."

Rep. Perlmutter suggested that employers don't need access to Facebook accounts. Traditional means of checking references and doing background checks are sufficient, he said today. They can "do it as themselves - not as imposters," he said.

But for today, at least, the issue will not be resolved in Congress. As noted by TechCrunch, Republicans were not convinced the amendment was necessary, but said they would be open to addressing the issue in separate legislation.


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An update on this issue, yay republicans don't think privacy is important!
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Jay » Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:58 am

We can't possibly let the other party actually do good things when the election is so close
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Rough Giraffe » Tue May 22, 2012 2:58 am

Odd... that goes against what I know about the voting record for most of the Republicans that voted No.

@Sentios: Would you happen to have the full text of the legislation in question? It would be interesting to see how it's worded.

Edit: Nevermind, I found it. This is the amendment as follows:

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS ON PASSWORDS
MOTION TO RECOMMIT WITH INSTRUCTIONS
M_. ______ of _______ moves to
recommit the bill, H.R. 3309, to the Committee on Energy
and Commerce with instructions to report the same
back to the House forthwith with the following amendment:
Page 23, after line 5, insert the following:

1 SEC. 5. PROTECTING THE PASSWORDS OF ONLINE USERS.
2 Nothing in this Act or any amendment made by this
3 Act shall be construed to limit or restrict the ability of
4 the Federal Communications Commission to adopt a rule
5 or to amend an existing rule to protect online privacy, in-
6 cluding requirements in such rule that prohibit licensees
7 or regulated entities from mandating that job applicants
8 or employees disclose confidential passwords to social net
9 working web sites.
That's the WHOLE amendment.

ZDNet.com posted an article about this, which quoted the Republican representative from Oregon saying:
Greg Walden wrote:I think it’s awful that employers think they can demand our passwords and can go snooping around. There is no disagreement with that. Here is the flaw: Your amendment doesn’t protect them. It doesn’t do that. Actually, what this amendment does is say that all of the reforms that we are trying to put in place at the Federal Communications Commission, in order to have them have an open and transparent process where they are required to publish their rules in advance so that you can see what they’re proposing, would basically be shoved aside. They could do whatever they wanted on privacy if they wanted to, and you wouldn’t know it until they published their text afterward. There is no protection here.


According to ZDNet: "The amendment, which was added to a larger FCC reform package, was defeated on Wednesday by a vote of 236 to 184. The underlying bill was approved by a vote of 247 to 174, but has not cleared the U.S. Senate. Republicans are not convinced the amendment is necessary, but did say they would be open to addressing the issue in separate legislation."
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Mathias » Tue May 22, 2012 3:14 pm

You necro'd a thread for this?
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Rough Giraffe » Tue May 22, 2012 5:20 pm

To defend the unfair characterization of a hated political party, armed only with the truth?

I consider it a privilege.

Also, it was only a few items down on the list and less than 60 days. Not sure what the standard is for consisting a thread to be dead...
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Re: Job Seekers asked for Facebook passwords

Postby Wulfespinndel » Tue May 22, 2012 9:14 pm

If you wanna discuss more on this topic, I'd suggest you gather more information on this, because that post you made isn't going to be enough. Far too insufficient.

However, what employers and schools are doing could be breaking the law.
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