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Postby Teran » Sat Feb 25, 2012 4:35 pm

I'll be watching Die Hard now.

BeeAre wrote:hey could you be more specific as to which parts of each comic are the worst offenders? i would like some actually useful criticism.

Well, it's pretty early in the morning, and I have some free time to make a long ass post. Just as I promised, my criticism towards these three comics, not really sure if anyone is gonna take me seriously now. I mean, I've been explaining some of the flaws in the comics in the last few months, especially with PPGD, and all BR got from all those months was "I don't like it, period", ignoring the rest of the post. I decided to make another long ass post, and received no answers from the man. To be fair, most of my criticism is towards PPGD, so he must think I hate him or something. That's not the case, and that's why we will start with Sugar Bits, then Grim Tales, and last, but not least, PPGD. Also, to make things less tedious, I will only explain the main flaws, not review the whole fucking comic.

But before we start, please avoid posting stuff like "if you don't like it, don't read it", "make your own comic then", "it's not like you can write any better!", or something retarded as that. I'm not a great artist, although I try. Seriously, the main reason I can't draw is because I see so many flaws in my drawings, it's just embarrassing, people might tell me "it's decent", but I just hate it. Also, I don't want to sound like a fucking douche and tell the people I could write a better story, because I seriously don't know. But you can bet your ass I would try very fucking hard to make a good job, because I'm not only a writer, but also a fan. I think the writer should always be at the same level of the fans, and do it for the purpose of telling a story he/she strongly believes in, rather than to receive credit and fame. Anyways, let's proceed.

Sugar Bits

This comic started pretty bad. No, I'm not even talking about the introduction, but the creation of the comic itself. Bleedman was, at the time, the most popular artist in DeviantArt, everyone loved him at that time thanks to PPGD and Grim Tales. The first saga of Grim Tales finally ends, and he asks the fans what should he do now? Ummm... kinda of obvious, isn't it? I mean, everyone loves (or at least loved at the time) GT, you left us in a pretty critical situation, so the answer is obvious... SUGAR BITS IT IS! [/sarcasm]

Seriously, I'm not sure why he decided to abandon everyone and start this comic. Yes, I know that thanks to the fan demand, he decided to continue Grim Tales 7 months later, but when Sugar Bits started, it was uncertain if he would ever return. Still, the comic had some charm thanks to the interesting designs and overall cute characters. As for the story, it had a really "mehhh" start. But this is the moment where the comic truly jumped the shark:

Lame joke, lulz

No, but seriously, this is where the real problem started: Link

After that, the infamous battle finally started. Better grab a snack, because this fight will last for...72 pages, which took 3 years to make! Some pretty interesting dialogue that is easily lost thanks to all the unnecessary explosions and constant elements that just won't let this fight end. So much potential wasted. It's really a shame if you think about it, because at this point, many characters have been introduced, yet, you barely know them. There's this hauntergeist called Mindsnare, who I know nothing about. Licorice, the only character I like in the whole comic, not thanks to her "original" personality, but because she is the only character that shows some passion. Seriously, she's so fucking evil, and she loves it, you have to respect that. Don't know a single thing about Brave (from the mastermind who created PPGD's most beloved character, Naga! You know, the Mary Sue in the moon), Ginger, the Lion (forgot his name), Gene, the rabbit girl who appeared in the first chapter, or Bleedheart. You might also think, “Well, that was 3 years ago”, but you are missing the point. Let’s assume that Bleedman updates the Sugar Bits comic every day, still, there are 72 pages, so that would require two and a half months of these characters constantly fighting (and let’s face it, thanks to Bleedheart’s sudden appearance, I doubt the fight is over, but people, including me, are excited because the character is finally able to shine!). It’s not how much it takes to update the comic what really matters, but the contents of the page itself.

So Robin, Bo and Hansel are the only characters I know to a certain point, but they are so fucking boring. It might just be me, but I can't find Bo laying in the floor, probably dead, something tragic. I just don't care for her. Ironically, the characters I know the best are the least useful characters in the whole fight, constantly running away or getting their asses kicked.

And why did this fight had to last for three years? You can blame it on all the elements that were brought into the fight, like all those bunnies who attacked Gene and Hansel, then that giant fucking robot who appeared from the ground, then Red, who decided to appear out of nowhere thanks to Mindsnare, then the wolf arrived too and made things even harder for our heroes, and now we have Bleedheart. Who cares about character development when we can have a fight that will last forever? It's like watching Matrix Revolutions again. WHO WROTE THIS?!?

Why not do the following?

1. The whole battle from Hansel's perspective. Sure, Robin, Bo and Brave arrive, but we will only focus in Hansel. That will save us a lot of time, develop his character, and even make the audience feel a little sorry for Bo. It will make her sacrifice a little more significant. By having so many characters fighting at the same time, there are so many things happening, we just can't focus in anyone. And seriously, does anyone feel sorry for a sacrifice that had no effect in the battle? Again, it's like in Matrix Revolutions, when Captain Mifune is mortally wounded and tells that guy to open the gate, you expect something to happen and change the tides of the battle, but all this sequence is completely useless, as nothing really happens!

2. The fight is over before we get a chance to even see it! It works because this whole battle started in order to summon Bleedheart. Seriously, even with all the losses from both sides, the only thing that really mattered was Bleedheart. How about something like this? Gene and Hansel don't have a chance to survive, Bo, Robin, Nemo and Brave appear out of nowhere, then like a billion rabbits appear. The chapter closes, and the next chapter opens with all those rabbits dead, our heroes alive, but injured, and Bo in her last breath. Awesome, it's 2008 and Bleedheart just appeared!

Oh, but don't worry guys, the fans are having such a great time with this battle, we don't mind that Bleedman cameo with both Licorice and Ginger.


Grim Tales WHAM

Many fans are wondering why the hell this comic even exists. Grim Tales ended back in 2009, and then someone got the brilliant idea of making an actual GT comic and sell it. Nothing happened for two years, so we got this comic instead, but again, why do we need this story if we got an actual ending? The fans demanded more? Ummm... Ok?

I don't know, while I did enjoy the first three chapters in GT, I found the rest of the comic pretty lacking, rushed and poorly written. All the charm was gone, which is a shame because they brought many promising elements. So the Pumpkinator is destroying (more like eating) everything, and they bring Dark Danny to stop it, but seriously, the character was overall useless because he got his ass kicked in round 2. The main problem with this is that the fight is completely irrelevant to the plot. Sure, that thing is a huge fucking threat to everyone, but the plot is with Grim Jr. and how he tries to rescue Minnie. They focused so much in that thing... it was just plain pointless. How about more important information? Like who is Junior's father?

Mr. Writer: Oh, you want to know who is Junior's real father? Sure... let me think of another flashback to...

OH GOD, NO! If this flashback proved something is that sometimes it's better for some stuff to be left unclear. I mean, sure, I want to know who Junior’s father is, but why not just mention him and that's it? Why didn't Nergal just said "oh, and does [insert name here] granted you permission to be a father to his son?", and then Grim is all pissed and says "don't you dare to bring that man into this conversation". The point is, we don't need 20 pages of flashback just to learn something which, in the end, was pretty trivial and unimportant to the plot.

So much stuff was brought as absolute, with little to no explanation in the end, so it was pretty unsatisfactory, but at least we got an ending. In fact, the stuff that was pretty important, like transferring Minnie's soul to this new body, Nergal inside the pumpkinator, Junior trying to understand his new powers, any reason why Nergal Jr. would accept to give Mandy a daughter, Mimi overall, so many promising elements were brought, and yet, most of them were unexplained, and we got this ending anyways. It's not like this universe will expand itself like Star Wars or anything, where you can leave as much stuff out as you want, and explain it later, it's just a webcomic, if you guys are truly wanting to expand this into a franchise, you are wasting your time, no way Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, and the other companies are going to allow you to. Just give us the answers and let it be what it is, a fucking webcomic.

Oh, but this isn't the ending, now we have a new story were Mimi must look for an Artifact in order to save Jeff. Alright, a pretty decent synopsis, we know her motivation, what is at stake, so this should be a pretty entertaining comic, right? RIGHT?!?

So Mimi enters the castle, too bad all the guards surround her. Oh, wait, out of nowhere she is fucking invincible and can easily beat everyone who challenges her. Again, why? You know what, fuck it, she is invincible, period. When you expect Grim Jr. to have an effect on her, she beats the living shit out of him, Minnie decides to fight her, we get another fight, Minnie is defeated and left with Junior, and Mimi decides to proceed. But watch out, there are hundreds of character cameos that won't have an effect in the plot trying to stop you! Oh, and Dark Danny is having sex with Mandy.

And a personal issue I have with the comic is Mandy and Grim's relationship. So Grim is glad that Mandy did all that stuff on Earth, and decides to marry her, but overall, it just seems something weird to me. Call me an idiot if you want, but I was always under the impression that Grim was Junior's father, his real father, that somehow he managed to impregnate Mandy and had this son. I was always under the impression that Minnie was brought to this world like a way to make Nergal Jr. loyal to Mandy, as he was a pretty valuable asset, I don't know. The problem I have with this is that Mandy is still a horrible wife and treats Grim like crap all the time, and yet, he has nothing to win in this marriage. He can't have any son, all his sons are product of strangers, and Mandy is constantly fucking with strangers. For what purpose? Seriously, what does she want? An army? And Grim has no problem with this? It sorta makes the whole marriage thing unnecessary, again, just a personal issue, it has nothing to do with WHAM, but I find this relationship overall stupid.

Where did I left? Oh yeah, so Mimi fights that dog, those robots, and Mandy, again, none of this represents a challenge to her. So why not do what I said previously? One page shows all the elements Mimi is going to fight against, and in the next one, all those elements finally defeated and Mimi with the artifact. Valuable time, you know? But no, I guess the story is pretty bad and you guys must compensate us with more unnecessary fights. Like Mister Plinkett said, it's like watching a short man, getting bald, and probably with a small penis. He buys himself a fucking Lamborghini to compensate all his flaws. I can only see these cameos and unnecessary fights as a way to compensate the poor writing, unsuccessfully, I might add.

So Mandy allows Mimi to get this artifact, and out of nowhere, it activates and takes us to a flashback. I'm not really sure if this artifact is a reference from a cartoon or something, so please enlighten me if that's the case. Anyways, this flashback takes us to a destroyed Megaville (which was quite a controversial move from Grids, as it doomed the PPGD storyline, but then he calmed down and decided to have this Megaville in a different timeline/dimension). Why couldn't they do something like this?

http://grim.snafu-comics.com/index.php?comic_id=90

and

http://grim.snafu-comics.com/index.php?comic_id=91

Instead we are forced to watch a flashback where some guys I just don't care about are fighting in order to protect Mimi. Why? Why is she so important to everyone? And what the hell were they doing there to begin with? I mean... ughhh... was this written with fucking crayons? It's just terrible. Not surprisingly, they decide to mention a "traitor" in the group, and no one mentions this again. What, are they going to make another Grim Tales saga with this traitor? Do they seriously expect this thing to continue forever?

More sacrifice with little to no importance, and then Blossom finally appears, revealing that she is Mimi's mother. You know, because a sentence wasn't enough, this flashback was 100% necessary. The main problem with this is that she just floats there, what's the purpose of having her character if she's not going to do anything? Hell, even trying to escape would be better than just stare at these guys doing their best to stop Him. They die, Him survives and separates these two, end of the flashback.

Now she's really pissed after reviving those horrible moments of her life, and throws a refrigerator and Mandy. Pain and the guards destroy the fridge, and now Mandy is going to activate some shit trying to make Mimi suffer. I can only predict... more fights and flashbacks? Maybe? 51 pages already, you know, I just counted the pages, and in the original Grim Tales from Down Below, in 51 pages we already had a proper introduction, tone, story, we knew all the stakes, characters, villains, etc. Now... *sigh*


Powerpuff Girls Doujinshi

With bright colors and all the cartoons we all loved in our childhood, it's not really that hard to fall in love with this comic and instantly become a fan of Bleedman. Well, I read the first saga a few days ago, and while the effect wasn't the same as 6 years ago, it definitely had something which made me enjoy it again. Quite a simple story, charming and colorful characters, some closure, I had a lot of fun reading this comic.

The fans demanded a second saga, which Bleedman constantly teased (again, I don't know why this guy loves to tease, make fanart, etc., and yet, work in different stuff), and after two and a half years of wait, The Forgotten storyline finally continued. It was until 2009 when we got a proper continuation for PPGD. But this time, Bleedman wasn't alone, he had a new writer, a talented artist who had great coloring skills and Bleedman himself, things were pretty promising.

I gotta admit, the first few pages were pretty... decent, I guess, I mean, they were meant to set the tone of the comic. Things had to be slow, especially after their last adventure, which they barely survived. Time to relax and stuff. At least you feel they are being developed... and then... well, let's just say I'm not a big fan of this second saga.

In my opinion, the real problem started with the ballet recital, pretty early in the comic, when Blossom is forced to use that outfit and Dexter gets a little emotional because he remembers Dee Dee. It's pretty hard, I mean, some scars never fully heal, and this is the case. Suddenly, something goes wrong, Olga asks for someone to repair this, and Dexter goes completely out of character and decides to repair the lights. Was that a joke? More like an attempt because I didn't find it funny. Then Blossom decides to talk with Olga, she reveals her last name, which shocks Blossom, something explodes or falls or whatever, Dexter asks them if they heard it, and the page ends. Again, was that meant to be funny?

I guess at this point everyone expected Olga to be evil and wanting to kill Dexter for what happened to Mandark, but as the story progressed, we found out how unnecessary her character is. Seriously, it could be literally any other character from a Nickelodeon/Cartoon Network cartoon, and it wouldn't have a single effect in the story. She has nothing to offer and her presence is barely important to the plot, so why have her in this story? I remember that BeeAre was pretty pissed because they released a poster of Olga and Dexter walking together with Blossom spying on them, obviously jealous. Are these two characters meant to fall in love and create a love triangle? Based on what? Olga is pointless in this story, I'm still wondering why did you guys focused so much on her when you decided to continue PPGD, especially in the first chapter.

Ughhh... let's continue. So Jack is in class with his students, Buttercup is obviously fucking strong and beats the living shit out of everyone, and gets punished for her actions. I think at this moment I finally find myself bored, because nothing important, or even remotely interesting, is happening. To make matters worse, the characters aren't really being developed, as we already know them. So Buttercup tells Professor Utonium about this, and he goes and meets Sensei Jack. They decide that Buttercup should try something else, and she must also take care of Courage. Is it just me, or these entire elements feel just random and unimportant? So she tries Science, and nothing, then Cooking, and she actually has some talent for cooking. But what does this new talent has to do with the story? Is she like going to cook something with poison and kill Professor X? Make Bell fat with her delicious food so that Blossom can finally fight against her? You know, this new talent is never brought into the current fight, which again, makes me wonder why they even decided to include it in the story. Perhaps one of my favorite moments is when some robot dude wants to attack her, and she closes her eyes and tries to relax in order to fight it. Suddenly she says “fuck it”, and attacks that thing. I find it like a way to represent most (at the time) of the second saga, just plain pointless. Oh, and to make matters worse, they also decided these M.I.B. glasses are so important, we need to have an entire page of an agent giving both Blossom and Buttercup a pair of glasses.

Let's see... oh yeah, Bell in the moon. So another interesting thing happens, Bell is in the moon, and she is sad because she has no friends, except for Gir, who she loved in the first saga, but now, for no apparent reason, isn't really the kind of friend she wants. I liked this scene because it developed her, and we saw her from a new perspective. In the first saga she only appeared with the bad guys and was constantly evil, little space for development. When Mandark dies is when you get a chance to feel her real wrath, but other than that... So again, this was a pretty great moment in the plot, but is suddenly ruined by Naga, who was introduced two years ago, and I still have no idea who he is or what is he supposed to do. Oh well... bleedporn is all the development we need for his character.

But seriously, he was so fucking annoying. Do I detect a Mary Sue? No, wait, that rock passed through his head… HE’S A GHOST, A GHOST I TELL YOU! Whatever, Bell is in the moon because she needs to activate this giant clock thing. You know, it's quite frustrating when you put shit all over the place, and abandon it for so long, or its just plain unimportant to the plot. But I guess that a trip to the beach was way more important. I'll get into that later. Who is Naga? Are we going to explore Bell's character again? I guess not, there's a pretty big fight going on.

There are two specific moments in this saga which I personally hate. Feel free to tell me how much creative control you have in the story, BeeAre.

1. The trip to the beach. I just hate this fucking scene because it was 100% pointless. So Buttercup discovers this new talent of hers, and they decide to go to the beach. You expect at least something to happen, but no! So Buttercup and Dexter are playing with this Frisbee, Dexter catches it, and falls over Olga. Blossom is obviously nervous, or at least uncomfortable because of Olga’s presence, they all share a pretty awkward moment while eating, end of the trip. To be fair, they only used 5 pages for this whole sequence (3 in the beach, 2 were just flashbacks), but again… why? If I have to be honest, back in 2010, I stopped reading the comic at this point, gave up way too early because it’s been a year and nothing (literally) has happened. Missed Snafu overall, decided to read the following updates, and things just got worse.

2. XJ-9 introduction, perhaps the worst introduction I’ve seen in my life. So Dib is running away from Gaz, he did something to her videogame batteries and fears his sister’s wrath. So Gaz captures him, is about to kill him, but out of nowhere, XJ-9 appears with a pair of batteries. Bubbles recognizes her, and we get a very fucking creepy bond between these two. So Jenny is famous? When did that happen? All she did in the first saga is get her ass kicked by the Rowdyruff Boys, and that’s it, she wasn’t really that important to the plot, but a part of something bigger. Well, not anymore, she’s famous and that’s it.

Holy shit, in 30 minutes they will air Die Hard, gotta finish this. So everyone is at the conference, and we get to see some familiar faces. The villains are planning something. Gir jumps over Dr. Wakeman, Jenny tries to capture him, and he uses this chance to put this device on her head which will activate a portal. Oh, so that was her purpose in the story! I guess that’s more than enough justification for her introduction. Oh… wait, no it’s not.
Wait, a crucial part of the plan depended on Gir? Ah, fuck it. Now, I’m not sure if this is truly poor writing or not, but it’s something that has bugged me for a year (the fight started a year ago). The thing is I’m not sure what’s the motivation behind Dr. X and all these villains, to this day, I’m not sure what they want. Asked Seir and he told me that Bell was holding a bomb. Some other user (can’t remember his/her name, feel free to take credit for this theory) told me that the villains want to steal something, I guess from another dimension, buried under the earth, I don’t know. What bugs me is that the villains are 100% aware that this conference is filled with Super Heroes, main reason they have a whole army of robot bugs and creatures strong enough to fight them. So if Bell is holding a bomb, do they want to blow up the whole building, killing everyone? If that’s the case, why not place the bomb a day before the conference? You know, when there were no Super Heroes who could interfere with their plans? They want to steal something? Again, why do it the exact same day? They aren’t called Super Heroes for nothing, they represent a risk to this whole operation. Oh, they want to execute their plan with the Super Heroes there? You know, kill two birds with one stone? Despite the fact that Dr. X knows all about the Powerpuff Girls and how strong they are? I mean, was any thought put into this?!?
So the heroes start fighting against the villains, again, same mistake with the previous comics, they just can’t focus in a single character to save us time and get the plot going. Monkey appears, and he is so essential to the fight, he only blocks one attack, and then decides to fight in the skies with that other robot dude. You know, because we need more and more cameos. Surprising how uninteresting and overall boring Bell is in this fight. I guess there are more important things to focus on, like no more panty shots. Seriously, BeeAre hates those things and constantly tells Bleedman to avoid them, because that’s what really matters in a comic. Let’s see, lame joke where Courage tries to tell all the scientists where the exit is, Olga, Dexter and the rest of the scientists are trying to escape or something… hey, actually these last five pages are pretty good. I mean, nothing exceptional, but for the first time there are references I enjoy (like the Omelette du Fromage, or Courage’s face), because there’s a huge difference between making the joke the center of attention, or just make it something trivial. If the joke is the center of attention, it slows the plot mostly because the only purpose of the page is to tell the joke. If the joke comes as something trivial, it works because the plot keeps going on, and the characters focus on something more important than a fucking joke.
Can’t say if I will like the rest of the saga, I mean, it’s 105 bad pages against 5 where I can’t find any flaw on them. Not sure if the people I want to reply will even bother in reading this fucking text wall, I seriously hope they do, I mean, I decided to do this because BR asked me to. Maybe he was being sarcastic, maybe he actually wanted some fair criticism (which this is, I have criticized all three comics, not just PPGD). To anyone involved, or to the fans, try not to get offended by it, most of the bad words are only used to explain a situation and not to offend anyone. Feel free to post, agree, disagree, etc.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby BeeAre » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:47 am

I'll stick to your stuff on PpGD. Grim Tales is undergoing some transitional stuff, and frankly, SB is being hit with it.
Teran wrote:Powerpuff Girls Doujinshi

With bright colors and all the cartoons we all loved in our childhood, it's not really that hard to fall in love with this comic and instantly become a fan of Bleedman. Well, I read the first saga a few days ago, and while the effect wasn't the same as 6 years ago, it definitely had something which made me enjoy it again. Quite a simple story, charming and colorful characters, some closure, I had a lot of fun reading this comic.

The fans demanded a second saga, which Bleedman constantly teased (again, I don't know why this guy loves to tease, make fanart, etc., and yet, work in different stuff), and after two and a half years of wait, The Forgotten storyline finally continued. It was until 2009 when we got a proper continuation for PPGD. But this time, Bleedman wasn't alone, he had a new writer, a talented artist who had great coloring skills and Bleedman himself, things were pretty promising.

I gotta admit, the first few pages were pretty... decent, I guess, I mean, they were meant to set the tone of the comic. Things had to be slow, especially after their last adventure, which they barely survived. Time to relax and stuff. At least you feel they are being developed... and then... well, let's just say I'm not a big fan of this second saga.

In my opinion, the real problem started with the ballet recital, pretty early in the comic, when Blossom is forced to use that outfit and Dexter gets a little emotional because he remembers Dee Dee. It's pretty hard, I mean, some scars never fully heal, and this is the case. Suddenly, something goes wrong, Olga asks for someone to repair this, and Dexter goes completely out of character and decides to repair the lights. Was that a joke? More like an attempt because I didn't find it funny. Then Blossom decides to talk with Olga, she reveals her last name, which shocks Blossom, something explodes or falls or whatever, Dexter asks them if they heard it, and the page ends. Again, was that meant to be funny?


Dexter being egotistical about his ability to be a genius is not out-of-character. I in fact think it demonstrates how badly he felt, that he jumped ship to something simple and easy that made him feel good and not bad.

For a guy who is a buff on nostalgia, you sure are selective! Any efforts to be funny in PpGD are efforts made on two fronts: Nostalgia and referential humor--much like the cartoons themselves, just with older nostalgia and different references. Can you perhaps guess what the jokes you are finding fault with are references to?

I do think that your nostalgia as a child really blinds you to the early faults of the comic, too.

I guess at this point everyone expected Olga to be evil and wanting to kill Dexter for what happened to Mandark, but as the story progressed, we found out how unnecessary her character is. Seriously, it could be literally any other character from a Nickelodeon/Cartoon Network cartoon, and it wouldn't have a single effect in the story. She has nothing to offer and her presence is barely important to the plot, so why have her in this story? I remember that BeeAre was pretty pissed because they released a poster of Olga and Dexter walking together with Blossom spying on them, obviously jealous. Are these two characters meant to fall in love and create a love triangle? Based on what? Olga is pointless in this story, I'm still wondering why did you guys focused so much on her when you decided to continue PPGD, especially in the first chapter.


it's unfortunate that this site is managed the way it is--not to say that the management is bad, it's good enough to keep things stable, mostly, but the choices made severely limit my ability to contribute to Bleedman's goals for the story. My hands are tied in how I can ask Bleedman to push out pages, and so the story has taken multiple points that have gone much slower than I would have liked.

On the whole, though, the comic's pace proceeds with normalcy for a while because normalcy, a good lengthy understanding of it, is just as important as all the action and instant gratification you crave.

Ughhh... let's continue. So Jack is in class with his students, Buttercup is obviously fucking strong and beats the living shit out of everyone, and gets punished for her actions. I think at this moment I finally find myself bored, because nothing important, or even remotely interesting, is happening. To make matters worse, the characters aren't really being developed, as we already know them.


Buttercup becoming MORE enamored by Jack is not a change? Buttercup realizing Jack looks like her father? And this is not in some way useful to approaching her character? Do people change really easily? Do you want the characters to, every two pages, kill off a character so we can have eternal bounding angst?

So Buttercup tells Professor Utonium about this, and he goes and meets Sensei Jack. They decide that Buttercup should try something else, and she must also take care of Courage. Is it just me, or these entire elements feel just random and unimportant?


It seems to be just you: If you go investigate the threads in the News forum, there are several surprisingly intelligent people appreciating the way the comic is going, giving them both the nostalgia and the referential humor that they like without either overpowering a tangible feeling of progression between events as different characters change their goals as new things happen.

So she tries Science, and nothing, then Cooking, and she actually has some talent for cooking. But what does this new talent has to do with the story? Is she like going to cook something with poison and kill Professor X? Make Bell fat with her delicious food so that Blossom can finally fight against her? You know, this new talent is never brought into the current fight, which again, makes me wonder why they even decided to include it in the story.


Buttercup having an outlet that allows her to channel her creativity into a medium that is not inherently aggressive does not to you sound like she's developing? And we do directly see the results of her being good at cooking leading her to helping Jack just before the fight--And he says she's made progress, and she'd not as happy as she might have been because she's begun seeing her father in him.


Perhaps one of my favorite moments is when some robot dude wants to attack her, and she closes her eyes and tries to relax in order to fight it. Suddenly she says “fuck it”, and attacks that thing. I find it like a way to represent most (at the time) of the second saga, just plain pointless.


Or you could interpret it as her attempting to be a better person and failing and that even that lack of progress is a development in her character. Perhaps you remember Zuko at the end of Book 2, who essentially did the same thing by choosing to NOT betray Azula. Granted, it was a little more heated, there, and a little more important--But seeing as we're not to the next fight with her, I can't actually make that call for you.

Oh, and to make matters worse, they also decided these M.I.B. glasses are so important, we need to have an entire page of an agent giving both Blossom and Buttercup a pair of glasses.


These are called leads. You put them into the story so that you can have them bear fruit for you later. In fact, quite a lot of what has been going on is doing that. So far, the major theme of your criticism is: "I AM IMPATIENT", to which I can only say, "please try to retain your patience,"

Let's see... oh yeah, Bell in the moon. So another interesting thing happens, Bell is in the moon, and she is sad because she has no friends, except for Gir, who she loved in the first saga, but now, for no apparent reason, isn't really the kind of friend she wants. I liked this scene because it developed her, and we saw her from a new perspective.


You say "for no apparent reason", yet you like the scene. Earlier, such language to denote the choices in the story made as "random" were negative, but now, it is a positive. Ah, because you saw angst. I see. We avoided a lot of angst in a lot of the pages. You love angst, and are impatient.

It's weird because I could have sworn you were older than my target demographic, who are SAID to be impatient and love angst. Harry Potter and Twilight are hella popular tween to teen literature, and they're full of the stuff! But weirdly, the same audience here is responding fairly favorably to a lot of the pages, almost as if they understand patience with the internet. Hmmm

In the first saga she only appeared with the bad guys and was constantly evil, little space for development. When Mandark dies is when you get a chance to feel her real wrath, but other than that... So again, this was a pretty great moment in the plot, but is suddenly ruined by Naga, who was introduced two years ago, and I still have no idea who he is or what is he supposed to do. Oh well... bleedporn is all the development we need for his character.


Suddenly ruined--as if letting events in a story transition directly into new events was unconscionable? Are you telling me you want me to go to Bleedman and break up the story into a bunch of mini chapters so it's easier for you to recognize when moments start and stop?

But seriously, he was so fucking annoying. Do I detect a Mary Sue? No, wait, that rock passed through his head… HE’S A GHOST, A GHOST I TELL YOU! Whatever, Bell is in the moon because she needs to activate this giant clock thing. You know, it's quite frustrating when you put shit all over the place, and abandon it for so long, or its just plain unimportant to the plot. But I guess that a trip to the beach was way more important. I'll get into that later. Who is Naga? Are we going to explore Bell's character again? I guess not, there's a pretty big fight going on.


See, I don't get this. This is done all the time in comics--webcomics especially. And things get convoluted in cross-overs of any medium. Convolution is part of why you're here in the first place. YEESH.

There are two specific moments in this saga which I personally hate. Feel free to tell me how much creative control you have in the story, BeeAre.


Hypothetically, I have total creative control--practically, I have very little, because I have to constantly fight against the page by page changes Bleedman offers, and sometimes gets impatient with.

1. The trip to the beach. I just hate this fucking scene because it was 100% pointless. So Buttercup discovers this new talent of hers, and they decide to go to the beach. You expect at least something to happen, but no! So Buttercup and Dexter are playing with this Frisbee, Dexter catches it, and falls over Olga. Blossom is obviously nervous, or at least uncomfortable because of Olga’s presence, they all share a pretty awkward moment while eating, end of the trip. To be fair, they only used 5 pages for this whole sequence (3 in the beach, 2 were just flashbacks), but again… why? If I have to be honest, back in 2010, I stopped reading the comic at this point, gave up way too early because it’s been a year and nothing (literally) has happened. Missed Snafu overall, decided to read the following updates, and things just got worse.


Wanted several things to be different lengths, here, but the important thing that you're going to understand later is what the trip meant to Olga and Dexter.

And you can't use the word literally here. You simply can't. Time passes. Events occur, characters change--The changes are there specifically to be small at first, so that they can get bigger. I'm sorry about your impatience, but that's why I try to make each and every single page entertaining on its own in addition to offering the progression to the narrative: we can't always guarantee a steady schedule of releases and because the release schedule is flimsy at best, pacing will seem scattered.

I mean, I go back and read everything, and honestly, most of it seems fine as a single Chapter or Issue of a comic story. *SHRUG*

2. XJ-9 introduction, perhaps the worst introduction I’ve seen in my life. So Dib is running away from Gaz, he did something to her videogame batteries and fears his sister’s wrath. So Gaz captures him, is about to kill him, but out of nowhere, XJ-9 appears with a pair of batteries. Bubbles recognizes her, and we get a very fucking creepy bond between these two. So Jenny is famous? When did that happen? All she did in the first saga is get her ass kicked by the Rowdyruff Boys, and that’s it, she wasn’t really that important to the plot, but a part of something bigger. Well, not anymore, she’s famous and that’s it.


Did you not notice that the introduction of these characters were tied together by the fact that they all have scientist parents who created them and that those scientist parents are working together to get things done for an event? The ballet, the science fair, Buttercup's cooking, all of these things were picked by design to offer the characters different thematic reasons for attending this big science meet. That's what the chapter was doing--setting up the characters' positions at this meet.

Holy shit, in 30 minutes they will air Die Hard, gotta finish this. So everyone is at the conference, and we get to see some familiar faces. The villains are planning something. Gir jumps over Dr. Wakeman, Jenny tries to capture him, and he uses this chance to put this device on her head which will activate a portal. Oh, so that was her purpose in the story! I guess that’s more than enough justification for her introduction. Oh… wait, no it’s not.


well, yes it is, because Weasel is present, and Weasel was present with the scene wherein the Rowdyruffs beat XJ-9. If Weasel is present, that instantly conveys several things about the nature of XJ-9's encounter that were solved offscreen

and btw: i have to solve a lot of things offscreen in order to be able to justify bringing a lot of things ON-SCREEN at the right time. To bring them out of order makes me have to scramble to retcon a bunch of stuff, which has to happen to an extent anyway with a crossover universe.

Like, I don't think you honestly realize that I am trying hard to make this crossover universe workable, and that you begin a crossover universe with incredible amounts of your belief hanging suspended.

You don't react at all to XJ-9 showing up with the Rowdyruffs the first time as bad. IT WAS. IT WAS BAD TO INCLUDE EITHER OF THEM FOR THIS COMIC. But now that they're here, I'm choosing to deal with them in the way I find most appropriate: slowly, like everything else. Once action gets underway, you'll see the point of things having progressed the way they have, I promise you.


Wait, a crucial part of the plan depended on Gir? Ah, fuck it. Now, I’m not sure if this is truly poor writing or not, but it’s something that has bugged me for a year (the fight started a year ago). The thing is I’m not sure what’s the motivation behind Dr. X and all these villains, to this day, I’m not sure what they want. Asked Seir and he told me that Bell was holding a bomb. Some other user (can’t remember his/her name, feel free to take credit for this theory) told me that the villains want to steal something, I guess from another dimension, buried under the earth, I don’t know. What bugs me is that the villains are 100% aware that this conference is filled with Super Heroes, main reason they have a whole army of robot bugs and creatures strong enough to fight them. So if Bell is holding a bomb, do they want to blow up the whole building, killing everyone? If that’s the case, why not place the bomb a day before the conference? You know, when there were no Super Heroes who could interfere with their plans? They want to steal something? Again, why do it the exact same day? They aren’t called Super Heroes for nothing, they represent a risk to this whole operation. Oh, they want to execute their plan with the Super Heroes there? You know, kill two birds with one stone? Despite the fact that Dr. X knows all about the Powerpuff Girls and how strong they are? I mean, was any thought put into this?!?


it's a very specific kind of bomb.

but now you're just gushing because you don't know the plot. this isn't criticism, and it's not useful. you complaining that you don't get it is not criticism, so you shouldn't have wasted your time with this last little "OH MY GOD IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE NOW SO IT NEVER WILL" spurt of poop from the last canal of your anus.

So the heroes start fighting against the villains, again, same mistake with the previous comics, they just can’t focus in a single character to save us time and get the plot going. Monkey appears, and he is so essential to the fight, he only blocks one attack, and then decides to fight in the skies with that other robot dude. You know, because we need more and more cameos.


I am seriously constantly asked on a lot of different media who gets to go in PpGD, and you know what? i can't say no to all of them. come on. argue with me on that. i fucking dare you. this comic BEGAN as a crossover comic, and you had no objections in the earlier parts of the story when character after fuckin' character got dumped into this story, but now that there are stakes, you suddenly want to change the tone and theme of the reality that has been established? and you think THAT WOULD LOOK GOOD?

Surprising how uninteresting and overall boring Bell is in this fight. I guess there are more important things to focus on, like no more panty shots. Seriously, BeeAre hates those things and constantly tells Bleedman to avoid them, because that’s what really matters in a comic.


except everyone loved those pages, i'm not kidding, go search the news section threads on them. I'm starting to lose MY patience with this "criticism", which admittedly is not being cared for at this point because of the amazing film Die Hard

but I believe I asked for USEFUL criticism, not shit you decided to type out before watching John McClane.

Let’s see, lame joke where Courage tries to tell all the scientists where the exit is, Olga, Dexter and the rest of the scientists are trying to escape or something… hey, actually these last five pages are pretty good. I mean, nothing exceptional, but for the first time there are references I enjoy (like the Omelette du Fromage, or Courage’s face), because there’s a huge difference between making the joke the center of attention, or just make it something trivial. If the joke is the center of attention, it slows the plot mostly because the only purpose of the page is to tell the joke. If the joke comes as something trivial, it works because the plot keeps going on, and the characters focus on something more important than a fucking joke.


and you know, it's weird, but most people seem to not only agree with you on that general idea, but they also disagree with you that some of the jokes consumed the page, wow!


Can’t say if I will like the rest of the saga, I mean, it’s 105 bad pages against 5 where I can’t find any flaw on them. Not sure if the people I want to reply will even bother in reading this fucking text wall, I seriously hope they do, I mean, I decided to do this because BR asked me to. Maybe he was being sarcastic, maybe he actually wanted some fair criticism (which this is, I have criticized all three comics, not just PPGD). To anyone involved, or to the fans, try not to get offended by it, most of the bad words are only used to explain a situation and not to offend anyone. Feel free to post, agree, disagree, etc.


oh, I'm replying, and i'm telling you that as a critic, you started off good, but fucking failed. but hey maybe you were tired by the time you got to the comic I care about.

And I'll feel free to shit on your chest if I please, too, btw. Just because Bruce WIllis is a sexbomb doesn't give you the god damn excuse to half-ass a thread where I asked for something legitimate from you.

No, try the fuck again. Let's get into it, buddy. I'm ready to go if you want to throw down.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Birdofterror » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:21 am

Holy shit-tits Beeare, simmer down a bit.

You; Like him, started off really enthralling and easy to read, but you both devolved into a mush of curse slinging maddies that forget how to punctuate about 65% through.

Beeare, I love you man. You gave me confidence to do many things on this forum, and I respect 'almost' everything you do. You know, other than repressing Bleedman's urge to be himeslf. So I really hope you don't take this the wrong way:

But I think both of you should slow down, and tackle each other's 'OPINIONS' on this matter. That is what they are.

You obviously respected this man to a point to want him to make this thread which meant he called out to you with something he said. You two might actually have a very good conversation ahead. If this devolves into web-garbage nothing will get accomplished, Teran will probably get inexplicably banned, and no-one will feel any better about it while this rots in digital purgatory.

Both of you, take a few breaths... maybe catch a few Z's... and hit it up again with smaller chunks focusing on individual aspects of each other's posts.

... ... ...

Or you could disregard this and fling feces at each other.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Duke of MaskS » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:22 am

Sorry to say this but I've re-read this new arc of the story and didn't notice the Rowdyruffs from any of it...

Did I somehow missed them or is BeeAre using them as an example reference?
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Mir@k » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:01 pm

Teran wrote:There are more important things to focus on, like no more panty shots. Seriously, BeeAre hates those things and constantly tells Bleedman to avoid them, because that’s what really matters in a comic.
Do i detect an actual bitterness in this post because bleedman for once is being coherced into being more mature and catering to less pedophilliac audiences? Because that would be Pretty Fucking Retarded if you ask me.

Out of people between 10-14 years of age (who i qualify as "People with extremely high tendencies to contract the ailment called Stupid"), i personally don't understand what's up with people demanding or worshipping panty shots, do people really know what they're asking for? Like, right here?

These things shouldn't even fucking exist.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Dibullba » Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:17 pm

Not gonna try to make a rant about the comics (no guarentees though) just gonna share my view points on them.

Sugar Bits- I actually liked the original approach to it, but it really did get hurt by the pacing for the obvious reasons.

PPGD: The first arc will always be a favorite of mine from Bleedman. As for the second arc, I have to agree that for a while I was quite bored until stuff actually started happening. Even so, in terms of character development and character focus, I am honestly left with not much clue as to what goal is being set for them. Buttercup controlling her anger despite this being a reason that made her an interesting character and further questions as to why this approach is taken so easily when considering how little focus on Buttercup and Bubbles in the first Arc. Bubbles getting into dance is an ok approach I guess, but still begs the question as to what this sub plot is suppose to accomplish. Guess I will just have to keep reading to see where it all goes.

Grim Tales: This one I question as to why people got so into it. I can not say I hate it, but despite being able to follow the story well enough it leaves me trying to remember what happened and as to the relevance of Spawn. Seems like it was going with a similar approach to PPGD except it touched on subjects that are questionable and a plot that seemed to have an odd pacing from being slow to just being in something different the next page. Not gonna lie that I really had to think hard as to what I was going to say with Grim Tales, but it came back as specific things stood out more in memory. Which would mean if I reread it, I am sure I would see things I had completely forgotten primarily because they ended up not standing out. As for the second arc, not much to really say other than it is doing well enough thus far, just curious where the plot is going to go after whatever happens with Mimi and as to whether or not the subplot for Megalopolis will be explored further.

Edit: Forgot to mention with PPGD the thing going on between Dexter, Blossom, and Olga. Despite the fact that in the first arc Dexter and Blossom got a lot of attention which honestly considering plot in the first arc I have no complaints with. The second arc, however, has Olga just guilt trip Dexter to not spending time with Blossom, but if that is all Olga is doing I have to say I do not understand what the point of having her in the comic if that is all she is going to do is stifle what the first arc had accomplished.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Techh » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:42 pm

Quite honestly, Teran, I agree with Beeare about your shit attitude. You are a negative fucking nancy and it's annoying. Now, I know, what the hell do you care, it's just some random ass chick on the internet, but lighten up a bit dude.


However, I do agree with Teran about some PPGD stuff. I found the story going in an odd direction with the Ballet recital and the introduction of Olga's character. I don't understand why Olga is in the comic. So far she's done nothing but bug Dexter and Blossom a bit. There hasn't been enough tension with her character. It just seems like she was thrown in there, she was going to do something, aaannndd she hasn't done it yet.... And Naga on the moon. What's up with him?
I feel like a lot of these questions will be answered, of course, those are just concerns for the moment being.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby BeeAre » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:49 pm

Hi Techh, you seem not retarded and i haven't seen you post much earlier. I'm BR, King of Threads and one of the last authorities here. Soth and Warbear are now mods too. Did you make a welcome thread? Just curious. Anyway--Olga is also a part of having to deal with things that existed before me, but I'm eventually going to change the game. We're approaching on that now, fortunately.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Biostar » Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:35 am

I honestly find it hard to criticize the plot of an in-progress piece of work. The throwaway joke/character/item/situation could actually be plot-relevant later on. I could complain about the pointlessness of something, but it could very well be important. I don't know. I can only theorize or ignore what happens in the comic until its completed. Then I can measure the merit of everything inside it. Especially since pacing in a story depends on how you read it: in whole or update to update.

The only thing that I can legitly criticize on right now would be the dialogue, art style, or page layout (I have no specific ones, so don't ask).

Though the whole technique of showing the two combatant sides one page and then the end of the battle the next could trim down on battle seqences it seems like it would be annoying to deal with constantly unless the events of the battle are plot relevant and would mount more tension if the events are left vague, like the destruction of Megaville. Doing it just to shorten things seems lazy.

I do agree with that the Sugar Bits fight should've focused more on an individual perspective of the fight to keep it more orderly, especially on fights that large a scale.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby dj1107 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:48 am

My basic problem with Grim tales is that the whole thing has flashbacks syndrome. I mean think about it our main story is told through flashback, How the premise came-to-be is told through flashback, & alot of unanswered question may be told in flashback. Everything else I'm fine with, most of the controversial stuff such as how this is basically a fucked-up family I'm fine with because it's a comic about the tales of the dark arts. The Spawn mythos is abit head scratching to me but I have my personal head canon on how He fits in the universe. the first PPGD series is still damn good to me. My only real complaint is pretty much me entering nerd mode and that complaint is that The Justice league of DCAU & Teen titans are hinted that they are in continuity with this universe. Thats abit of a problem with me because I have to wonder Why Dr.X is settling with guys like the Cluster and not ally himself with someone like Brainiac or Darksied? Also Jack kinda out of character personality is strange as well.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Teran » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:04 am

Was gonna post something tonight, but got distracted, decided to talk with Seir, had a lot of fun, and now I'm actually tired. Will give a proper reply TO EVERYONE (cuz I love you all) tomorrow, or sometime this week. I'll start working on it tomorrow, that's for sure.

I also want to point out that the "Die Hard" comment wasn't done with the intention of offending anyone, and more like a trivial fact. Ironically, that's exactly what happened. No more trivial facts in the future, much to my dismay. Because I worked like for four hours straight on this thing, so I wanted to post something like "ahhh, I'll get my reward", or chill out for a second, like the Star Wars prequel reviews done by RedLetterMedia.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Bobbie » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:32 am

I like some of your arguments, Teran, and making constructive criticism was not bad(actually, in the beginning it was really interesting to read), but maybe you should have focused about one comic at a time... seems like you wrote too much for too long and rage started building up... Spending 4hr talking about something gets to your head.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Saint Soul » Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:40 pm

DJ I was the first person to speak of the flashback problem and you raise a great point.

BR why has GT Heavily relied on flashbacks? what is GT's angle and how is the who story supposed to be perceived.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby BeeAre » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:16 pm

i'm not GT's writer. i'm as bewildered by the inception-level flashbacks that have happened as you are.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby dj1107 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:15 pm

The problem I have with Jack in general in PPGD is how his continuity works. See I like to believe that the Bleedman universe exist as epilogue to the original series. Dexter's & PPG continuity from the TV show could still be intact since there shows ended so it could work save for the RRB origins (but I have my own head cannon for that). What bugs me about Jack is how did he get here in modern day? Throughout his whole show he has been on a quest to journey back to the past and undo the future that is Aku lets say for the sake of argument that Jack did exactly that. how or why did he go back to this time era? Did he go Captain America and was frozen for centuries? His personality also seems adrift to He's no longer the strong silent wanderer we knew him as He seems to happy you think he'd had all sorts of emotional problems knowing that his loved ones are all dead and everyone He met while in the future probably doesn't exist......I think I just made cliff notes for a prequel story.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Biostar » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:31 pm

Since his journey was never finished (unfortunately), the writers can make up whatever they want to fit him in the timeline. I can think of a few scenarios myself. We first met him as a teacher at a elementary. I doubt he would be teaching if he was still majorly angsting about his friends and loved ones. It could be how he coped. Any amount of time could have passed before he did. Since its not really plot relevant right now, I doubt they'll go into it.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby GridsNaranek » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:40 pm

Teran, PM me your GT concerns.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Mir@k » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:52 pm

I'd be grateful if you answered to the people right here griddles.

Because, you know, i'm plenty sure we all want an answer to the question "the fuck is going on with GT?".
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby achthenuts » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:22 am

Teran, your critics were right. Even the arts are awesome, but that doesn't mean the plot was awesome. Much like I watch Gundam SEED DESTINY, which was like: wow I hope is accurate as Zeta's storyline, but fan fic in Super Robot Wars game would better than official storyline.

Well I saw there's Grim Tales from Left Below better than Down Below, yes, you heard that right, that was from Seiryuga's suggestion. I found out that was better, way better than original.
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby BeeAre » Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:59 am

dj1107 wrote:The problem I have with Jack in general in PPGD is how his continuity works. See I like to believe that the Bleedman universe exist as epilogue to the original series. Dexter's & PPG continuity from the TV show could still be intact since there shows ended so it could work save for the RRB origins (but I have my own head cannon for that). What bugs me about Jack is how did he get here in modern day? Throughout his whole show he has been on a quest to journey back to the past and undo the future that is Aku lets say for the sake of argument that Jack did exactly that. how or why did he go back to this time era? Did he go Captain America and was frozen for centuries? His personality also seems adrift to He's no longer the strong silent wanderer we knew him as He seems to happy you think he'd had all sorts of emotional problems knowing that his loved ones are all dead and everyone He met while in the future probably doesn't exist......I think I just made cliff notes for a prequel story.


yeah, i've already got Jack's story all worked out. When will you see it? 2015? 16? fuck if i know.

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Re: Bleedman's comic rants (first update tomorrow)

Postby Teran » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:56 pm

It is done... not only is this review longer than the first PPGD review, it's also longer than the three reviews combined. And just as promised, no distractions this time. Now if you excuse me, I gotta rest for a while, I'm truly exhausted after writing this. Also, an apology for not properly responding everyone as I promised.

Well, my review has received both praise and hate, but I guess the general consensus is that I rushed the PPGD section just to watch Die Hard. I said it in the past, and I'll say it again, it was meant to be something trivial, I had no idea it would have such a negative impact, and much less that it would force me to do a second review. But seriously, think about it from my perspective, I just spent 4 straight hours in this review, you think I want to make the last, and perhaps the most important part of my review ('cause we all love PPGD) worthless? Lose all my credibility as a critic while I'm at it? In fact, if I had not written that Die Hard would start in 30 minutes, I doubt anyone would have a problem with my review, because all my points are still being addressed. I still find it odd that such a crucial part of the job depends on a robot with mental retardation, that the villains decided to execute their plan with Super Heroes in the conference, find Bell extremely boring in the fight, hate the fact that we can't focus only in Blossom or Dexter to save the audience some time, and especially the fact that we need a page where a M.I.B. agent gives the girls some glasses.

But again, I believe I disappointed everyone with that last segment, so I have decided that the only way to compensate you all is to make a second PPGD review, "biggerer and betterer" than the previous one, and this time with no distractions at all, unless you guys consider music a distraction... oh, wait, I love this part of the song! Nahhh, just kidding, that's what I love about videogames music, it can be relaxing, and most of the time they lack of lyrics, so I can focus on what I'm writing. So, let's jump in, shall we?

PPGD Second Saga Review

So the first saga ended back in September 11, 2005, with Olga in the remains of Mandark's base. Then Bleedman decided to make a segment called The Forgotten in 2006, but completely abandoned the comic to focus on Grim Tales (back when I liked it). We would not see another update until 2008, but things were different. This time, it wasn't Bleedman alone, he would receive help from a writer (BeeAre), and a talented artist with great coloring skills was also involved (Seiryuga), so things were pretty promising. However, this new update was about the Forgotten, the real PPGD storyline officially continued in March 15, 2009.

So it all starts with Dexter fighting that pink monster from the cartoon, again. Too bad he is no match for it, and even with all his weapons, he is pretty much doomed. But fear not, Blossom, Bubbles and Buttercup have arrived to save the day. I liked this page because it was a wise reference to the cartoon, hell, while Dexter is being consumed by the monster, he says the exact same thing he said in the cartoon (I think), so yes, I understand that most of the comedy in this comic is based on nostalgia and obvious references to the cartoons. So again, great start, I liked it, 5 pages I enjoyed. They defeat that monster, save Dexter from falling, and return to school, pretty simple, right?

Another reason I liked the introduction of this second saga is because it sets the tone correctly, a lighthearted comic with all the cartoons we all loved back in the past. Oh... wait... Dee Dee died in the last saga, which was a pretty dark segment in the story. Well, still, it's a comic for all ages, and again, it includes all those cartoons we all loved in our childhood, so it sets the tone for the comic pretty well.

I want everyone to look at this page: Link

Another great page because it's faithful to the source material, not to mention it saves us some time. Blossom is sitting with Dexter, Buttercup with all those girls, and Bubbles with Mandy and Gaz, so things haven't changed. Also, you can clearly see Billy and Ed, are they the center of attention? Of course not, they are only cameos in the page.

In the next page they introduce Olga, and judging by that cloud over her head, she's pretty pissed. Gaz and Mandy don't like her because she used to sit with them, and then abandoned them and became the best dancer at Megaville Elementary School. Bubbles is quite excited, and Olga offers her a chance to join her at the auditorium. At this point I still liked the comic.

So Bubbles forces Blossom to join her at the ballet try-outs. While she accepts (I mean, she tried out that ballet dress), Dexter isn't feeling to well, mostly because ballet reminds him of Dee Dee. It's a pretty sad moment because some scars never heal, especially when our family is involved. Just as Blossom and Dexter leave, Olga identifies him, and the lights go out. Is this a coincidence? I'll answer that in a moment. So Blossom and Dexter still want to leave, but Olga starts demanding for a genius to repair the lights, as they constantly go out. To be fair, I really didn't notice this the first time, I simply assumed that the lights truly went out, and Olga simply asked for help, which caught Dexter's attention and decided to act out of character and help her. When I wrote my first review, I wasn't aware that it was Olga the one responsible for the blackout and wanted Dexter's assistance. And yes, she is the one responsible for the blackout, because when she says that the lights are constantly failing, Bubbles says that the lights look pretty Ok, but Olga insists that's not the case, and they need someone's help. Not to mention you can see that huge exclamation mark on her head when she notices Dexter.

So by admitting that I was wrong the first time, is my whole review wrong? Well, not exactly, if anything, it reinforces my point of how pointless this whole scene was. To begin with, it pretty much ruins the emotional tone of the page. Dexter is sad, but by having a character in need for a Boy Genius, he completely forgets about Dee Dee, about the tragic past. If that was the case, then why bother setting the sad tone in this scene and have Dexter just sitting there, waiting for Blossom? You might also think that she wanted Dexter for a certain task, maybe just to tell him her last name so that he made the connection between Mandark and Olga, but I can't help but think "what if?". Let's explore this scenario carefully, shall we?

1. What if Blossom didn't go with Dexter to the backstage? How would Olga tell him her last name? Just shouting it while he is upstairs? Wait, I guess not, as it's plain evident that Dexter can't hear anyone. Seriously, look at Blossom's speech balloon when he is upstair, you can't read a thing, so it's obvious that Dexter wouldn't hear her.

2. What if Blossom forgot her last name?

3. What if they weren’t in the mood of talking about Olga, and just focused in the lights and the science project.

"Fortunately" none of this happens, Olga, Blossom and Dexter go to the backstage and... wait? What? Oh yeah, that huge explosion, was there a bomb? Was Olga planning to kill Dexter by placing a bomb there? Wait, I guess not, she's in a very vulnerable position and could be caught in the middle of the explosion, unless she is planning to avenge her brother at all cost, but... ughhh... maybe I'm just putting a lot of thought into this, but seriously, that whole scene was just pointless from my point of view. Nothing happened and Dexter went out of character thanks to his ego. I ask again, why bother setting the emotional tone if you guys are going to ignore it immediately, and why bother having Olga asking for Dexter? Just because we needed Blossom to learn Olga's last name? Then why bother setting the whole emotional tone to begin with? Because Bubbles looks like Dee Dee? Is this even relevant to the plot? Oh wait, I guess it is because Dexter makes a comment when Bubbles is fighting against those robot bugs in the conference, but if that's the case, is that even relevant to the fight? Did you guys were discussing back in 2008 - 2009 and someone came to the conclusion that it would be cool if very early in this second saga Dexter made a connection between Dee Dee and Bubbles, and then in the middle of the fight that would occur MUCH LATER he would make this connection again? WHY?!? What will this achieve?!?

Ok, that whole act is finally over, we can finally proceed to a different segment, this time it's Buttercup and Jack in the Kendo class. Since I'm starting from zero again, I decided not to include any argument from BR in this new post, but I will make an exception this time:

Buttercup becoming MORE enamored by Jack is not a change? Buttercup realizing Jack looks like her father? And this is not in some way useful to approaching her character? Do people change really easily? Do you want the characters to, every two pages, kill off a character so we can have eternal bounding angst?


Enamored is defined like this: "To inspire with love; captivate". We all know that Buttercup has a crush on Jack, but we all see this as platonic, it will never happen. If you actually see this as a possible relationship for both characters, then yes, you are wrong. Is this truly a useful approach for her character? It might be character development, there’s no doubt about that, but there are two problems with it, this was established in the first saga, we know all we need to know about these two and their “relationship”, and even if this is character development, it ends up being pretty unimportant because there’s a huge difference between “love” and “teachings”. I believe you want to establish that what really matters is what Jack will teach to Buttercup, but this is not the best way to do it. So again, let’s analyze this scene, Buttercup is in the Kendo class, and beats the living shit out of every character present (Chowder, Jimmy, Flapjack), so Jack stops her, finds her attitude unacceptable, and demands Professor Utonium to go and talk with him. How is this supposed to teach Buttercup that being calmed and collected is a better solution than using brute force? How about Jack asking for volunteers to fight against him, Buttercup decides to fight against him, and she is no match for the man. Jack then explains her all the flaws in her technique, and that’s it. Pretty simple, we just avoided watching Buttercup trying science and cooking because this is a direct message from her Sensei, and being unable to match her opponent’s skills, it is obvious that she has a lot to learn.

Anyways, so Jack receives Utonium at his office, and I gotta be honest, did you actually expected us to think that Jack looking like Utonium would have an effect on Buttercup? It was a pretty intelligent reference, because both characters have lots of similarities, but other than that, it's far from important in the story, it's just a joke. So Bubbles is still in the ballet try-outs, and Blossom reveals Olga's last name, much to Dexter's surprise, and the chapter ends.

Perhaps I was a bit too harsh in my first review towards this chapter, so I decided to check the FIRST CHAPTER of PPGD and see what went wrong. To begin with, the first chapter establishes that the Powerpuff Girls are no longer in Townsville, which implies that a new chapter in their lives will begin. When they introduce themselves as Super Heroes, everyone laughs at them, so again, they aren't famous like they were in Townsville. Dexter introduces himself and fights against Buttercup. Being no match for him (mostly because he caught her off guard), Blossom and Bubbles help her and they start a fight. I guess Dexter is victorious, however, Jack appears just in time and tells them to stop this. Before the chapter closes, we get to see Professor X and Bell. Notice that they are in the roof, where no one can see them, and thanks to his overall evil design, and the fact that there is a giant armed robot with him, it establishes that they are the villains, and he has knowledge of the Powerpuff Girls. I may be giving Bleedman too much credit, but this is a great introduction because he presents the four main characters in the story, establishes a completely new setting with characters from different cartoons, and at the same time introduces the villains, both Professor X and Bell.

In this new chapter of PPGD, although faithful to the original first saga, it's pretty much the exact same. If I have to be honest, the only "important" aspect in the story so far is Olga's introduction, the rest is pretty much the same we saw back in the first saga, only a bit more boring because they gave a lot of focus to certain sections that didn't really deserve it, and we already know all the main characters, but again, this is only the first chapter, the calm before the storm. Pretty calmed... eh?

So, after almost 5 years, Bell finally appears! Applause! So she's in the moon with Gir, and receive a message from Professor X. There's a giant sand clock, which Bell must activate. I guess they are testing a weapon, or maybe they are already executing part of the plan. Whatever the case is, this seems pretty important, Bell activates that giant sand clock with the voice command, hides, and we get to see a giant fucking explosion... or something. Whatever it was, it was pretty big, and then the sand clock disappears. Bell lost the space suits, and asks Gir to find them. We get a series of flashbacks that show how Bell really feels thanks to the fact that she lacks of friends. I thought Gir was more than enough... I don't know, maybe Mandark visited her or something when he was alive, and now that he is gone, she is truly alone. Would prefer a flashback of Bell with Mandark instead. Suddenly, Naga appears and offers his friendship, or something.

Actually, I got a funny story in here. Decided to watch Seiryuga UStreaming, and he was reading my review while chatting with me. Well, at least the Sugar Bits and the PPGD review. I remember mentioning Naga as a Mary Sue pretty early in the review, so I was kinda of nervous about his reaction towards this accusation. Seriously, I even told him "sorry for saying that, didn't meant to offend you", and expected the worst. He was actually pretty nice, and while he defended his character, we had a good time discussing. So, is Naga a Mary Sue? I'll deal with this in a moment, we got a story to criticize in here.

So Naga introduces himself, is curious about Gir, and Bell immediately attacks him. Naga is behind her and praises her attack, but not before Bell attacks him again. Naga is once again behind her, unharmed, and finally presents himself. Bell doesn't cares about him, but he then gives her the lost spacesuit. She finally communicates with Professor X, Gir throws a rock towards Naga's head, but the rock just passes through his head, and Bell freaks out. Alright, now we can start talking about Naga.

So when the character was introduced, it received much hate from the fans, but why? Well, I can only blame it on his horrible introduction. So Bell just activated this giant fucking thing in the moon, and is sad. The character appears out of nowhere, which is not a good signal, especially if we just happen to be in the moon, and despite the fact that he got attacked by Bell (a character who is far superior than Blossom) TWICE, he is unharmed. In fact, you could even say he is toying with Bell. Just read the dialogue:

Naga: That's awfully impressive, but don't you think--

Bell: HOW DID YOU DO THAT?!

Naga: I didn't...

"I didn't"? WHAT?!? How can you do that and at the same time don't... oh God, I need a beer. So anyways, he introduces himself with quite a fancy title, something that might be important in the character's respective universe, but in here it's just some information I just don't care about, but I assume that by the fancy title he is royalty or something, and then gives Bell the spacesuit she just lost. Gir kicks a rock and this rock passes through his head, again, he is left unharmed. Can anyone please tell me a flaw in his character? Again, he can easily dodge Bell's attacks, is a pretty nice kid, and is invincible. "Invincible you say? Just because a rock didn't harm him?". Well, that's pretty much the purpose of the scene, otherwise, why would Gir kick the rock? Is he a ghost? Is he even real? Again, I wouldn't blame it on the fans for the lukewarm reception Naga received, and more in the way he was introduced. Why not have Bell like in a military base, checking the moon, we see a giant explosion and she tells her father that the device has been activated, then Naga appears. She doesn't attacks him, he simply introduces himself, Bell is forced to leave and that's it? It wouldn't establish so many positive aspects from Naga, you know, like in this teaser:

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I'll say that he isn't a Mary Sue because at this moment, he isn't important for the story (at least right now), and his appearance is more like something random. But again, the character is way too perfect for his own sake, main reason almost everyone hated him back in 2010. I still don't like him, and seriously hope that in his next appearance he is toned down, and we can see him in a more vulnerable position. Don't want to sound impatient or anything, but at this point in the story I'm already bored, as nothing is really happening. Oh, yeah, forgot about Bell's melancholy in the moon. Is this even relevant to the plot? While I offered a better solution towards those flashbacks which I just found odd, I can't help but feel that her character being sad was just pointless. Not only don't we explore this again, in her second and current appearance in the story, she's only there to execute Professor's X operation. He said something about Doomsday, so I guess it's pretty big. But I gotta stress, why bother developing a character if that won't matter in the story. I'm not even sure if you guys understand that even if you develop a character, it can end up as random and unimportant in the end. In fact, we could skip that whole emotional moment and introduce Naga immediately, and we wouldn't feel any difference. In fact, we could skip the whole operation in the moon, and I sure as hell wouldn't feel anything is missing in the plot.

We have returned to Earth, and both Jack and Utonium have decided that it would be the best if Buttercup takes care of Courage. Again... why? The only important piece of information I got from this whole scene is when Blossom tells her sisters that Dexter was a different person after they met Olga. This actually is something pretty important, because, while you ruined a pretty emotional moment back in the auditorium, this could easily fix it by not making it a flashback, and actually have a scene where Blossom leaves Dexter at his place and he leaves without saying "bye" or anything. I mean, at least I find it more important than Buttercup being forced to watch over Courage. Ironically, the fans also find themselves as a part of Buttercup's punishment because we are forced to see her in ridiculous outfits, trying a new hobby in order to calm her stress. Couldn't Bleedman just try some fanart of this and post it in his DeviantArt, and keep it separated from the main plot? I gotta stress, why is this important to the plot? Other than the fanart, can anyone take this seriously? At this point I'm actually getting pretty impatient because all the story elements introduced seem to be highly unrelated to each other, and overall unimportant.

Again, I'll have to carefully explore one of the moments I hate the most in this second saga, the picnic in the beach. So everyone thinks it's a good idea to go to the beach and relax, you know, because they couldn't do something as simple as this Link

Oh no, if you thought the first chapter of this new saga was slow, just wait for this! I think this is the right moment to talk about Olga, because at this point I'm actually tired of her. So I talked with Seir, and he told me that including Olga in this saga was essential, something I agree with. Why is she essential you ask? Well, at the end of the first saga, you can clearly see her in the remains of Mandark's base, so it pretty much establishes that she will have an important role in this second saga. The main problem with this is that her character has nothing to offer in this story. She is just a talented dancer, THAT'S IT. She doesn't wants to avenge her brother, so far they haven't attempted to make a love triangle between Dexter, Olga and Blossom, so again, why have her in the story? Just because she appeared at the end of the first saga? Well, if that's the case why not put some thought into her character? I said it in the past and I will fucking repeat it, you could literally replace Olga with any other character from any cartoon, and it would have little to no impact in the story. So what if we skip Dexter's emotional scenes after he learns her last name? Do those scenes have an effect in the story?

Has anyone watched Ricky 1? It's a pretty lame parody movie of Rocky (duhhh), you can actually see the AVGN review in here Link.

But if you are too busy having a life, I will resume the whole review to you, it's a horrible movie with many cheap jokes and that most of the movie has nothing to do with Rocky. Now, I'm not saying that this comic is horrible... well, I hate it this second saga, but by no means I'm saying it's the worst thing I've seen in my life. Anyways, near the end of the movie, it finally starts resembling Rocky, we finally get a training montage, a fight, hell, there's even a theme song. But at this point, I no longer care about the movie, I gave up a long time ago (quoting the AVGN). I can pretty much see myself in his position, because at this point, I no longer care about Olga. You can blame it on the slow updates, but the real flaw is how horribly paced this story is, and how they decided to make the story long and quite fucking boring. Oh, and because I'm saying "fucking boring", I don't mean it as a personal offense, but I like to express myself this way. Hell, most of the first part in my review lacked of any swearing, I need a fucking break! Perhaps the worst thing in this trip to the beach is that we don't receive any closure, was there any purpose to it? There might be a purpose to it, but in the current circumstances, I doubt it has any effect on us. Seriously, we are in the middle of a fight, so what could we achieve by finally closing (2 years late) this part of the comic? The love triangle they teased on that poster? Wait, is the story actually going to continue AFTER the conference fight?

So Mandy and Bubbles are discussing different versions of what truly happened in the beach, leaving the audience wondering, and then Dib appears. He asks for Bubbles' help because Gaz is out of batteries. I can only assume he was responsible for this, and now is paying the consequences of it. But fear not, XJ-9 is here to rescue the day. She gives Gaz a pair of batteries, and Bubbles uses expository dialogue to explain the audience XJ-9's role in this universe. While this is something acceptable in both movies and comics, I still find her introduction way longer than it should be (seriously? a robot version of Bubbles?). So Bubbles is incredibly excited because it appears that Jenny is world famous, and invites her home. I guess I judged her introduction unfairly, as it serves as an excuse to present Mrs. Wakeman, and at the same time they explain that she is being honored, which pretty much sets the whole conference conflict. But I insist, did XJ-9 needs an introduction? Literally, her only purpose in the story is to be used as a gate so that all the bad guys get an entrance. No, she does not need an introduction. Especially if this conference is to honor Mrs. Wakeman, I mean, it's kinda of obvious that Jenny would be there for her mother, so seriously, what gives? You want to make her role a bit more tragic? For a character you just introduced? O...k? Seriously, she’s just a plot device, even if she survives this whole invasion, she shouldn’t have an introduction, at least not this long, and much less in Megaville Elementary? How about a proper introduction in the conference, while Wakeman is being honored? I… I just… ughhh… why?

Again, I said I was going to avoid quoting BR, but I'll make a second exception.

BeeAre wrote:The ballet, the science fair, Buttercup's cooking, all of these things were picked by design to offer the characters different thematic reasons for attending this big science meet. That's what the chapter was doing--setting up the characters' positions at this meet.

I don't want to sound rude, but did we seriously had to endure ALL THAT to set the characters in this conference? Guess I was wrong in the end, these stories were truly related in the end, too bad that it took over a year to place them in here, and in the end, all the stuff we saw has nothing to do with the fight itself. And shit, if the parents of these characters are hosting the event, why not save us some time and have their kids assisting the event because their parents told them to? You know, instead of placing all these highly unrelated stories in the same place for no apparent reason other than "it works!". Jenny is there, Bubbles is her fan so if Jenny told her to go, I can assure you she would. The Science fair is being hosted in the same place, so it also makes sense that Blossom and Dexter assist (notice that this was established when the second saga started), and Buttercup could be there, just chilling. Instead... we got this...

So Samantha is in the conference with Gir, obviously planning something. I insist, a crucial part of the plan depends on Gir? You know, a robot with mental retardation who usually screws everything up? And the villains are counting on him to put that device on Jenny and activate a portal which will be their entrance? *sigh* Whatever. So the portal opens, and these giant robots and Bell are the first ones to exit it. They immediately attack everyone. No negotiations, no nothing, that robot shot missiles straight at the audience for no apparent reason, I guess they are allowed to shoot first and ask questions later. You could also say that... wait a second... is that Mimi? What the fuck is she doing in this comic?!? Ahhh fuck it, I have more important things to look at than just a mindless cameo.

As I was saying, they attack the audience immediately, no negotiations or anything. Some robot yells that the Cluster needs both Victims, Slaves and Food. But it is obvious that they must use a smaller version of the Sand Clock Bomb for... something. I gotta stress, imagine that the whole moon sequence never existed, would it have an effect in the story so far? I'm still wondering what's the purpose of that device, not to mention they could use some expository dialogue of how they already used it in the moon, saving us some time. To this moment, Bell's melancholy and Naga's appearance are so unrelated to the story, it pains me to think those scenes were actually written in a script and in storyboards. Also, I gotta stress, why do it when all these characters are present? Professor X is aware of the Powerpuff Girls, so why not do it a day before the conference? Is that a bomb? Will it explode, killing all the humans in here? Then why plant it when there are so many factors that could interfere in this moment? Are they going to steal something? I ask you the exact same question. Was it a coincidence and they had to do it the exact same day? Then how about this? Kidnap XJ-9 or get another robot who can also open the portal, start the invasion in another place expecting little to no resistance so that the Super Heroes leave the conference and fight the Cluster over there, and have Bell fight on her own in the conference against the M.I.B. agents, in the end, they are no match for her. But for whatever reason, no thought was put into this, and they decided that we needed this huge battle. Great job Professor X, you sacrificed being a good father for this, and forgot the most important part of it, EXPECT NO RESISTANCE AT ALL!

So Bell and that robot guy are talking, and Olga hears their conversation. They notice her presence, and the Cluster robot, or whatever he is, is about to kill her. I guess she wasn't a villain after all, but again, this proves that I'm correct, and her character is just unnecessary in this story because she has nothing to offer. Ironically, I found the April's Fool prank you guys pulled on us way more interesting because at least if offered a new perspective and challenge to the characters. Much to my dismay, it was an actual prank, and the story continued. Why have Monkey in this fight? His appearance didn't change the tides of the fight, and to makes matter worse, he accepted that robot's challenge in the sky, so again, why is Monkey relevant to the fight? Oh, wait, it isn't. Notice that Dexter carries Olga and refuses to let her go, I can only assume something happened in the beach, but again, is this going to change the tides of the fight? Two more than vulnerable humans with no super powers trying to escape while the Super Heroes try to stop the villains. Why not focus on the Super Heroes?

So this fight is pretty boring because we still have no idea who the main character is. Wait, all of them? What?!? I've said it in the past, why not focus on a single character's perspective, in this case, Blossom? The fight starts, she immediately fights Bell, saves Olga, follows Bell, and the plot advances at A MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE PACE. Instead, we need to focus on Samantha against Jack, Monkey, Dexter, Olga, even Bell. Don't you guys know what priorities are? Oh, and I love how all the stuff that happened before the conference is completely irrelevant and far from important. So Blossom gets a pair of glasses, Bell also steals those glasses, Buttercup goes against her senseis advice and decides to use brute force against that giant robot thing, and at this point I already gave up in the comic, I'm watching it more like an obligation. You know, like with the Star Wars prequels, you just want them to be over, you've been scammed twice, so why not just fucking end with it.

Ughhh... Craig McCracken, Phineas, Ferb and Isabella cameos, a horrible, horrible joke of Courage trying to guide the scientists to a safe place. Do I even need to explain why I hate those pages? So Courage decides to stay and fight the bugs, Bubbles rushes to help him. Dexter and the scientists try to open the door, but nothing happens, so Dexter needs some "muscle" in order to open it, and goes for Bubbles, and that's the story so far...
Disclaimer: If you don't agree with my opinion, I'm not a comic reviewer or a writer, I'm just an asshole. There, I just saved myself two months of psychological torment.

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Re: Bleedman's comic rants (first update tomorrow)

Postby Dibullba » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:23 pm

Teran wrote:"Fortunately" none of this happens, Olga, Blossom and Dexter go to the backstage and... wait? What? Oh yeah, that huge explosion, was there a bomb? Was Olga planning to kill Dexter by placing a bomb there? Wait, I guess not, she's in a very vulnerable position and could be caught in the middle of the explosion, unless she is planning to avenge her brother at all cost, but... ughhh... maybe I'm just putting a lot of thought into this, but seriously, that whole scene was just pointless from my point of view. Nothing happened and Dexter went out of character thanks to his ego. I ask again, why bother setting the emotional tone if you guys are going to ignore it immediately, and why bother having Olga asking for Dexter? Just because we needed Blossom to learn Olga's last name? Then why bother setting the whole emotional tone to begin with? Because Bubbles looks like Dee Dee? Is this even relevant to the plot? Oh wait, I guess it is because Dexter makes a comment when Bubbles is fighting against those robot bugs in the conference, but if that's the case, is that even relevant to the fight? Did you guys were discussing back in 2008 - 2009 and someone came to the conclusion that it would be cool if very early in this second saga Dexter made a connection between Dee Dee and Bubbles, and then in the middle of the fight that would occur MUCH LATER he would make this connection again? WHY?!? What will this achieve?!?

The explosion is a reference to the cartoon in which whenever the name "Lala Vava" is mentioned, thunder would be heard and I believe lightning as well could be seen. The point of the scene was for Blossom to hear her last name as she was not previously aware that Mandark had the same last name. This set up for the tone of Blossom having regret later on when she learns the truth, however it is done in the scene I hate the most out of the comic. As for Dexter making the connection for Bubbles being Deedee, this has been relevant from the beginning in which Dexter has mistaken Bubbles for Deedee before and Blossom mistaking the Deedee android for Bubbles. It insinuates that both characters look incredibly alike. I will say thanks though as it did answer an issue I was having with the comic in figuring out the goal for Bubbles sub plot.

Teran wrote: Anyways, so Jack receives Utonium at his office, and I gotta be honest, did you actually expected us to think that Jack looking like Utonium would have an effect on Buttercup? It was a pretty intelligent reference, because both characters have lots of similarities, but other than that, it's far from important in the story, it's just a joke. So Bubbles is still in the baller try-outs, and Blossom reveals Olga's last name, much to Dexter's surprise, and the chapter ends.

Within reason I would agree that it seems pointless, but also consider how this could affect future chapters. Would you want to have a crush on your own parent? Where I end up not liking the approach with Buttercup is the approach that she is improving her skills, but mostly she is only doing so because she has a crush on Jack. It becomes character breaking to an extent in which she shows no attempt in fighting the solution made by Jack and Utonium making the character development seemed forced rather than accepted.

Teran wrote: The character appears out of nowhere, which is not a good signal, especially if we just happen to be in the moon, and despite the fact that he got attacked by Bell (a character who is far superior than Blossom) TWICE, he is unharmed. In fact, you could even say he is toying with Bell. Just read the dialogue:

Naga: That's awfully impressive, but don't you think--

Bell: HOW DID YOU DO THAT?!

Naga: I didn't...

"I didn't"? WHAT?!? How can you do that and at the same time don't....

I actually have a guess on this although nothing can really prove it. What Bell was actually seeing was an astral projection which could be a power of his. His introduction really was cut short which is the primary problem with it. However I will say I found his character amusing in personality and if the astral projection really was the case of his power I am left curious as to him meeting Bell on the moon planned or coincidence. Not to mention we have yet to know when he will become relevant in the plot so I would not push too much in despising him just yet.

Teran wrote:We have returned to Earth, and both Jack and Utonium have decided that it would be the best if Buttercup takes care of Courage. Again... why? The only important piece of information I got from this whole scene is when Blossom tells her sisters that Dexter was a different person after they met Olga. This actually is something pretty important, because, while you ruined a pretty emotional moment back in the auditorium, this could easily fix it by not making it a flashback, and actually have a scene where Blossom leaves Dexter at his place and he leaves without saying "bye" or anything. I mean, at least I find it more important than Buttercup being forced to watch over Courage. Ironically, the fans also find themselves as a part of Buttercup's punishment because we are forced to see her in ridiculous outfits, trying a new hobby in order to calm her stress. Couldn't Bleedman just try some fanart of this and post it in his DeviantArt, and keep it separated from the main plot? I gotta stress, why is this important to the plot? Other than the fanart, can anyone take this seriously? At this point I'm actually getting pretty impatient because all the story elements introduced seem to be highly unrelated to each other, and overall unimportant.

If you are gonna act the part, might as well look the part. Still not liking the Buttercup sub plot still.

Teran wrote:Oh no, if you thought the first chapter of this new saga was slow, just wait for this! I think this is the right moment to talk about Olga, because at this point I'm actually tired of her. So I talked with Seir, and he told me that including Olga in this saga was essential, something I agree with. Why is she essential you ask? Well, at the end of the first saga, you can clearly see her in the remains of Mandark's base, so it pretty much establishes that she will have an important role in this second saga. The main problem with this is that her character has nothing to offer in this story. She is just a talented dancer, THAT'S IT. She doesn't wants to avenge her brother, so far they haven't attempted to make a love triangle between Dexter, Olga and Blossom, so again, why have her in the story? Just because she appeared at the end of the first saga? Well, if that's the case why not put some thought into her character? I said it in the past and I will fucking repeat it, you could literally replace Olga with any other character from any cartoon, and it would have little to no impact in the story. So what if we skip Dexter's emotional scenes after he learns her last name? Do those scenes have an effect in the story?

I agree in that Olga as a character has become a bit pointless in which she seems to be neither an enemy, nor a friend. However taking note of what happened in the auditorium of her being focused on Dexter we can assume that she has some sort of vengeful plot. The issue has a simple solution, the timing of her appearance seems to be mistimed as more important events are placing her in the shadows. The beach scene however is indeed the most infuriating page to deal with as some "event" happens and we just jump to the school with a whole bunch of nonsensical dribble. Takes away a lot from the emotional development in the scene.

Teran wrote:So Mandy and Bubbles are discussing different versions of what truly happened in the beach, leaving the audience wondering, and then Dib appears. He asks for Bubbles' help because Gaz is out of batteries. I can only assume he was responsible for this, and now is paying the consequences of it. But fear not, XJ-9 is here to rescue the day. She gives Gaz a pair of batteries, and Bubbles uses expository dialogue to explain the audience XJ-9's role in this universe. While this is something acceptable in both movies and comics, I still find her introduction way longer than it should be (seriously? a robot version of Bubbles?). So Bubbles is incredibly excited because it appears that Jenny is world famous, and invites her home. I guess I judged her introduction unfairly, as it serves as an excuse to present Mrs. Wakeman, and at the same time they explain that she is being honored, which pretty much sets the whole conference conflict. But I insist, did XJ-9 needs an introduction? Literally, her only purpose in the story is to be used as a gate so that all the bad guys get an entrance. No, she does not need an introduction. Especially if this conference is to honor Mrs. Wakeman, I mean, it's kinda of obvious that Jenny would be there for her mother, so seriously, what gives? You want to make her role a bit more tragic? For a character you just introduced? O...k? Seriously, she’s just a plot device, even if she survives this whole invasion, she shouldn’t have an introduction, at least not this long, and much less in Megaville Elementary? How about a proper introduction in the conference, while Wakeman is being honored? I… I just… ughhh… why?

TL;DR Exposition to becoming a plot device. It is not as uncommon as you would think especially since we are speaking of The Cluster being involved which makes the existing conflict between them at least sensible.

Teran wrote:So Samantha is in the conference with Gir, obviously planning something. I insist, a crucial part of the plan depends on Gir? You know, a robot with mental retardation who usually screws everything up? And the villains are counting on him to put that device on Jenny and activate a portal which will be their entrance? *sigh* Whatever.

Even though he is incapable without the mind tune up it could still be more logical when you think that it is a convention of scientists. A robot running around definitely would not be suspicious and only Blossom actually knows what Gir is and whom he belongs to.

Teran wrote:But for whatever reason, no thought was put into this, and they decided that we needed this huge battle. Great job Professor X, you sacrificed being a good father for this, and forgot the most important part of it, EXPECT NO RESISTANCE AT ALL!

Still questionable as to what the plan really is so probably better to assume that the scientists being there and coincidentally the super heroes being at the convention as well. So the plan is obviously use XJ-9 as a portal to create a distraction while Bell does what we have yet to figure out.

Teran wrote:Why have Monkey in this fight? His appearance didn't change the tides of the fight, and to makes matter worse, he accepted that robot's challenge in the sky, so again, why is Monkey relevant to the fight? Oh, wait, it isn't. Notice that Dexter carries Olga and refuses to let her go, I can only assume something happened in the beach, but again, is this going to change the tides of the fight? Two more than vulnerable humans with no super powers trying to escape while the Super Heroes try to stop the villains. Why not focus on the Super Heroes?

Agent Honeydew was at the convention, Monkey was bound to become relevant especially since it is Dexter's test subject as well. Once again I say the focus goes to the villains as it is not so much about turning the pace, but the actual plot that is occuring.
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Postby Princess » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:15 am

Mirak wrote:I'd be grateful if you answered to the people right here griddles.

Because, you know, i'm plenty sure we all want an answer to the question "the fuck is going on with GT?".

You know he's not going to do it.
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Is this about Mimi's parents again?
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Re: Bleedman's comic rants

Postby Techh » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:56 pm

BeeAre wrote:Hi Techh, you seem not retarded and i haven't seen you post much earlier. I'm BR, King of Threads and one of the last authorities here. Soth and Warbear are now mods too. Did you make a welcome thread? Just curious. Anyway--Olga is also a part of having to deal with things that existed before me, but I'm eventually going to change the game. We're approaching on that now, fortunately.

Why hello! And thank you. Stuff said the same thing and I'm flattered. I like not being an idiot. I have noticed your Kinglyness, and I have to say you are a fine mod. No, I did not make a welcome thread, but I joined back in May. Yay for formalities.
I'm excited to see the story progress. I really do like all of Bleed's stories, and I was getting iffy about them. So I'm really excited.

Teran, I would like to apologize for how rude I was earlier. It was not my place.

Teran wrote:Was it a coincidence and they had to do it the exact same day? Then how about this? Kidnap XJ-9 or get another robot who can also open the portal, start the invasion in another place expecting little to no resistance so that the Super Heroes leave the conference and fight the Cluster over there, and have Bell fight on her own in the conference against the M.I.B. agents, in the end, they are no match for her. But for whatever reason, no thought was put into this, and they decided that we needed this huge battle.

Their goal is to make as much damage as possible. The Cluster hate all humans, they have no need to keep them alive (except as slaves) to begin with. They believe themselves to be better than humans, even the super heroes, so of course they're going to attack when all the humans are there, especially when you think of the type of people who went to the conference. Some of the smartest minds in the world? The Cluster are not going to pass that opportunity up. They are going to take their chance and get rid of the smart ones, who could eventually take them down. For the Cluster, it's a fantastic opportunity, like Halloween or Christmas.
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