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American Internet Censorship again

Postby Sentios » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:52 am

Oh boy guys and gals those crazies in Hollywood are at it again.

http://americancensorship.org/

---- April 3rd ----

http://www.copyrightinformation.org/node/705

And hell's army marches onward today. For those not aware through a private agreement between hollywood and the major ISPs starting within the next few months your ISPs will in fact be monitoring your traffic watching for copyrighted material. The organization created by this collusion is the Center for Copyright Information and while taking on a gentle face, saying that they want to educate violators about copyright instead of punishing them, while choking their internet connection to nothing. Of course in the same breath they list half-truths and full lies and on their website.

http://www.copyrightinformation.org/facts

Most notably is that they keep up the myth about piracy costing obscene amounts of money and thus jobs (>implying that money would go job creation even if it existed). However a recent information coming from France, which has the strictest measures in place regarding copyright, shows that even with piracy down in that country sales are not going up with any significant effect.

https://torrentfreak.com/french-three-s ... es-120330/


And so let's shift again to the broader topics with this video I came across recently which seems like a realistic view of what we can expect in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Rival » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:26 am

Sucks.

Not much I can do about it though. And before anyone suggests, no I don't think those wacky facebook and tumblr stunts will have any influence on the voting.

If the hearings start today, how long should it, on average, take for the voting to take place?
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Sentios » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:56 am

Rival wrote:If the hearings start today, how long should it, on average, take for the voting to take place?


That I do not know, somethings rush through extremely quickly before anyone has a chance to cry foul and others get held up for months.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Rival » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:04 am

Ah, so passing a bill works the same way as here I guess. And I hear Obama supposedly supports this one, not good.

I just find it funny that to get people behind opposing this bill, it's being said "facebook and youtube might get taken down". Nah, Google is too powerful and facebook too popular atm. for the government to even attempt that, even if a law theoretically allowed it. They'll just get slightly more censored, and they're already blocking content based on country of viewer and taking down copyrighted material anyway.

This is clearly targeting torrent sites and that's what has me worried. Since torrenting my entertainment is what I mainly do on the Internet.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Innocence Abandoned » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:54 am

Torrenting is used mainly for pirating and other downloads, and that stuff is currently illegal anyway. Still, somehow only a fraction of a percent of pirating sites are ever shut down, and only a tiny percentage of people who pirate media are caught. I think this law, if passed, would follow the same pattern.
Also, have you kept record of how many important laws have passed through Congress lately? Laws that were considered mutually beneficial to both parties have been routinely shot down by one party simply for being proposed by the other party. Nothing of importance is getting through that political lockdown until after the 2012 elections.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Rival » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:33 pm

Innocence Abandoned wrote:Torrenting is used mainly for pirating and other downloads, and that stuff is currently illegal anyway. Still, somehow only a fraction of a percent of pirating sites are ever shut down, and only a tiny percentage of people who pirate media are caught. I think this law, if passed, would follow the same pattern.

Under current law torrent sites often claim that they cannot be held responsible for what torrents their users upload, this bill is meant to address precisely that. Site owners will be held responsible for what's being uploaded to them.

I don't consider torrent sites undefeatable, back in 2004 when I was using Kazaa, I remember people saying Peer-to-peer file sharing networks would never die, yet eventually they did. Kazaa and Frostwire both got effectively killed via legal action, even though they had millions of users.

If the 2nd generation of P2P could get taken down, so can the 3rd.

Hell, Demonoid is reporting on this, so clearly this is a threat.

Innocence Abandoned wrote:Also, have you kept record of how many important laws have passed through Congress lately? Laws that were considered mutually beneficial to both parties have been routinely shot down by one party simply for being proposed by the other party. Nothing of importance is getting through that political lockdown until after the 2012 elections.

I doubt Congressmen consider this bill as important enough to shoot it down due to party rivalrly.

Unless this bill gets mainstream media attention, which I also doubt.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Sentios » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:22 pm

And none of it will actually stop piracy, it will just lower our standard 'freedom' further.

Intellectual property, especially as far as entertainment goes, is completely bunk as far as I'm concerned. Any legitimacy it could have is completely overshadowed by the simple fact that rather than deal with 'why people pirate instead purchase' IP owners take the finger pointing approach.

Unless this bill gets mainstream media attention, which I also doubt.


Given that it's backed by media owners I wouldn't be surprised if the topic is blacklisted as far as the news is concerned, lack of public awareness (along with misinformation) is how most things get passed in the US.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Imosa » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:53 pm

It seems to me that bills like this come and go a lot. That may be because I once signed one of those petition things and now I get an email every week about the constant crisis that is Net Neutrality. So can someone tell me if this one is unique in some way?
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Fenrisulfr » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:28 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/1 ... 98255.html


Welp, been nice hearing from ya guys.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Innocence Abandoned » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:10 pm

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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Whatis6times9 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:44 pm

Whatis6times9 wrote:Remember kiddies, it's cheaper to buy off congress to get the american gov't to protect your copyrights than it is for the copyright holders to protect their copyrights.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Innocence Abandoned » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:07 pm

Too true... Well on the positive side, most porn is original or uncopyrighted material, so the primary use for the internet will be unaffected by this turn of events.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Sentios » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:13 pm

Fenrisulfr wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/sopa-internet-censorship-online-piracy-house-hearing_n_1098255.html


Welp, been nice hearing from ya guys.



And my plans to wash my hands of this nation suffer even further advances to their time tables. I suppose I will be interested to see what happens when after the inevitable passage of the act (if not now then one of the next hundred million times it gets sponsored) hollywood sales don't go up by any significant percent. Though my experience with the general American populous, too addicted to entertain, has me fearing that things will go exactly as hollywood expects them to.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Whatis6times9 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:21 pm

From what I have learned from antipiracy measures is that all this will do is fuck things up for everyone but the pirates.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Jingle Males » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:19 am

It's kind of sad when our only hope is a large, multi-billion dollar corporation that is only fighting the bill for its own finances.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Innocence Abandoned » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:06 am

This entire situation is a picture perfect model of the capitalist system at work. Namely, the part where the clash of interests between mega-corporations screws with the little guys.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby EagleMan » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:10 am

Trying to stop the effect and not the cause. It's genius every time.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Imosa » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:28 am

Whatis6times9 wrote:From what I have learned from antipiracy measures is that all this will do is fuck things up for everyone but the pirates.
Do large lobbying corporations support legislation that doesn't actually solve the problem or does someone really think this will work?
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Rival » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:17 am

Male wrote:It's kind of sad when our only hope is a large, multi-billion dollar corporation that is only fighting the bill for its own finances.

Nah that's completely normal, in business and politics everyone has an agenda. Been that way for centuries.


Fenrisulfr wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/sopa-internet-censorship-online-piracy-house-hearing_n_1098255.html


Welp, been nice hearing from ya guys.

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Though I find it funny that out of all people it's the Tea Party who is among the opponents. Guess I shouldn't criticize them as much.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Sentios » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:28 am

Rival wrote:Though I find it funny that out of all people it's the Tea Party who is among the opponents. Guess I shouldn't criticize them as much.


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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Rival » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:54 pm

List of stated supporters of the bill. McCain supports the bill too, so I guess no matter if Obama had lost or not, we'd be getting this:

S.968 - Protect IP Act

Sponsor: Sen. Patrick Leahy [D-VT]

Co Sponsors:
Lamar Alexander [R-TN]
Kelly Ayotte [R-NH]
Michael Bennet [D-CO]
Jeff Bingaman [D-NM]
Richard Blumenthal [D-CT]
Roy Blunt [R-MO]
John Boozman [R-AR]
Sherrod Brown [D-OH]
Benjamin Cardin [D-MD]
Robert Casey [D-PA]
Saxby Chambliss [R-GA]
Thad Cochran [R-MS]
Chris Coons [D-DE]
Bob Corker [R-TN]
Richard Durbin [D-IL]
Michael Enzi [R-WY]
Dianne Feinstein [D-CA]
Al Franken [D-MN]
Kirsten Gillibrand [D-NY]
Lindsey Graham [R-SC]
Charles Grassley [R-IA]
Kay Hagan [D-NC]
Orrin Hatch [R-UT]
John Isakson [R-GA]
Tim Johnson [D-SD]
Amy Klobuchar [D-MN]
Herbert Kohl [D-WI]
Mary Landrieu [D-LA]
Joseph Lieberman [I-CT]
John McCain [R-AZ]
Robert Menéndez [D-NJ]
Bill Nelson [D-FL]
James Risch [R-ID]
Marco Rubio [R-FL]
Charles Schumer [D-NY]
Jeanne Shaheen [D-NH]
Tom Udall [D-NM]
David Vitter [R-LA]
Sheldon Whitehouse [D-RI]



H.R. 3261.
Sponsor: Rep. Lamar Smith [R-TX21]

Mark Amodei [R-NV2]
John Barrow [D-GA12]
Karen Bass [D-CA33]
Howard Berman [D-CA28]
Marsha Blackburn [R-TN7]
Mary Bono Mack [R-CA45]
John Carter [R-TX31]
Steven Chabot [R-OH1]
John Conyers [D-MI14]
Ted Deutch [D-FL19]
Elton Gallegly [R-CA24]
Robert Goodlatte [R-VA6]
Tim Griffin [R-AR2]
Peter King [R-NY3]
Ben Luján [D-NM3]
Thomas Marino [R-PA10]
Alan Nunnelee [R-MS1]
William Owens [D-NY23]
Dennis Ross [R-FL12]
Steve Scalise [R-LA1]
Adam Schiff [D-CA29]
Lee Terry [R-NE2]
Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D-FL20]
Melvin Watt [D-NC12]

Anyway, just posting this in case, if any American on here cares about this matter enough to e-mail their representative.

Also saw this linked by some anon: https://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/o/9042/ ... n_KEY=8173
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Sentios » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:27 pm

Rival wrote:Anyway, just posting this in case, if any American on here cares about this matter enough to e-mail their representative.


None of us has enough money to buy out a politician.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby DaCrum » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:38 pm

Well Nancy Pelosi has openly opposed it, as has another prominent Republican.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby Imosa » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:39 am

Woot wrote my first email to a statesman. I figured I might as well. I couldn't find out if he supports the act or not. It doesn't seem to be a big deal on his radar. He's not on the previously posted list though.

Dear Representative [Name]

My name is [Name], emailing you to ask that you vote against the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA). I am a student at [Collage] University. As a physics major, critically examining a claim is a reflex. As a computer science major, the workings of technology are second nature to me. One of the core reasons that the internet is popular is that it gives just about anyone the freedom to express themselves to the largest pool of people on the planet. While not attacking this feature of the internet directly SOPA threatens to give corporations the power to censor many things that they feel they may be lousing a profit to. SOPA could evaporate the life blood of the internet, the YouTuber singing a rendition of a song, the upstart writer making a parody of a book, the DeviantArtist drawing a character off of a TV show. These aren't the big people in the world but they are playing in the big world anyway; however, if SOPA is enacted they might not be able too play anymore and then it won't be such a big world anymore. Thank you for taking the time to read this email.

Sincerely
[Name again]

Ooooo, love that last line. Little people playing in a big world. What a brave image. I also had a personal appeal afterwards, thinking he didn't have to be spend time on reasoning with no useful backing if he didn't want to.
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Re: American Internet Censorship again

Postby EagleMan » Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:56 am

Usually it's aides that read them (especially if they aren't sent in in letter form), and usually they only care if you have some sort of power in the community, like being the leader of a group or something.
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