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Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Kris » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:14 pm

For manga fans, this news literally just broke.
Tokyopop is shutting down their American publishing branch on May 31st.
Good overview of the news and notes from Stu Levy here:
http://www.comicsbeat.com/2011/04/15/en ... ting-down/
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Hana » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:24 pm

Goodnight, sweet prince.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Jay » Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:01 pm

Goodnight, unreliable prince.

NEVER PUBLISHED A GODDAMNED VOLUME OF ECOLE DU CIEL FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS EAT MY SHIT

Ahem.

I wonder if my complete collection of BLAME! will go up from $300, now that it's not only in short supply and out of print, but that the publisher's out of business.

Hmmm.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Wulfespinndel » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:25 pm

Well this sucks.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Mathias » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:36 pm

Is this related to scanlations?
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Kris » Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:15 pm

It's most likely related to Borders. Borders owes a lot of publishers quite a bit of money, and it seems that seriously hurt Tokyopop. It also has to do with Stu Levy, who really had no business running the company.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Jay » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:38 pm

And who knows, maybe their reality TV show just flopped THAT hard.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Mathias » Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:54 pm

At least they finished GTO.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby zepherin » Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:58 am

Kris wrote:It's most likely related to Borders. Borders owes a lot of publishers quite a bit of money, and it seems that seriously hurt Tokyopop. It also has to do with Stu Levy, who really had no business running the company.

Well some people are simply crap at running a business, even if they have a wide customer base. There is this sort of adversarial behaviour towards business types from both creative and analytical people for different reasons. Penny Arcade is the perfect example. When Jerry and Mike were running it, PA barely made any money and they were heavily in debt even though they had a huge fan base, it was month to month and they had to ask for a lot of money from fans. Robert Khoo took over and it is a multi-million dollar entity. Stu Levy is a lawyer not a business man. Although he may have just had bad luck, and it is tough to get a juris doctorate, but being smart does not necessarily translate to business savy. Still if you are a creative type with a large fan base and no business sense. Hire someone like me who is terrible at the creative stuff but good with business stuff.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby BobSagat » Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:55 am

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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Dorian » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:03 am

You're no Robert Khoo.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Kris » Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:39 am

Stu Levy is a visionary with lots of good ideas. He was always one step ahead of everyone else, and picked up on trends quickly. The problem was that he lost interest almost as quickly. He'd start up projects, but not commit and see them totally through. And, quite frankly, his "farewell letter" reflects that. It has a fairly flippant tone to it, and reads like "Well, that was fun, but I'm bored now, so see ya!" The guy's not even here. He's running around in Japan already working on his next big project. It's hard not to look at him and cast blame, even knowing the financial difficulties they have been facing. Which carries it's own sick humor, since Tokyopop basically had no real employees. The company is almost entirely run on unpaid interns and freelancers.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby zepherin » Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:55 pm

BobSagat wrote:
zepherin wrote:Hire meeeeeee!

I have a job,.. Robert Khoo just has a better one :)
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Vegedus » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:43 am

Who's and what's left, then? Are there any other publishers there to pick up the slack? Darkhorse, maybe? Or is this essentially the first nail in the coffin for official manga releases in America?

Jay wrote:I wonder if my complete collection of BLAME! will go up from $300, now that it's not only in short supply and out of print, but that the publisher's out of business.

Geez, don't tempt me.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby zepherin » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:29 am

Vegedus wrote:Who's and what's left, then? Are there any other publishers there to pick up the slack? Darkhorse, maybe? Or is this essentially the first nail in the coffin for official manga releases in America?

Sort of. The more profitable ones will likely get produced from Viz, but a lot of the less popular mangas won't be. Occasionally the US comic book industry picks up a Japanese property.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Kris » Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:48 am

Manga companies still in business:
Bandai Entertainment (not likely to pick up TP's books)
Vertical (even more likely not to)
Dark Horse
Viz Media (biggest possibility)
Seven Seas (some possibility)
Fantagraphics (no way in hell)
Kodansha (but they already pulled any of their titles from TP a while back)
Digital Manga Publishing (slight possibility they'll at least pick up the BLU line from TP)
Yen Press (some possibility)
Net Comics (nope; even if they last)

And there's a couple other companies that occasionally publish manga titles, like Drawn & Quarterly, but they aren't likely to publish TP books either.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Jay » Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:51 pm

Yen Press is around.

Also didn't realize Del-rey got replaced by Kodansha US, lol.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Kris » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:03 pm

Dammit, how did I forget Yen Press? My bad. Was trying so hard to remember them all, I forgot one of the bigger ones.

Del Rey basically shut down its manga division, as Kodansha came over and was all "Hey, give us back our shit, we're gonna do it ourselves."

Oh, I also forgot Net Comics.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Vegedus » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:21 pm

We've had all of 2 publishers of manga here, and one of them went under when it became readily obvious our country is way too small to support two. It's not too bad, but it does mean there's less niche stuff coming out of the woodwork.

Sounds like this'll be the same thing. More shounen, less odd stuff, like OEL.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby zepherin » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:44 pm

Fuck it let's start a manga publishing business. We'll do a limited run manga books, because fans buy that shit. The more niche stuff. Like a thousand a pop. Then use cons and amazon as a distribution set. The cost would be limited if it were just focused on the books. I need to find someone elses money to invest.


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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Jay » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:59 pm

1/2 Prince could work. There seem to be a decent number of readers, and it's Chinese sourced, so the price you can negotiate for the licensing might be cheaper compared to the prices you'd get with Japanese publishers.

Alternatively, maybe go purely for one-shot/short series? It'd solve the issue some publishers have with irregular release rates which piss off readers.

Of course, that means you might not capture a steady readership.

Also, what do you think about backing up the limited print releases with some sort of digital release, like through Kindle or something?
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby zepherin » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:18 pm

I like the already complete series thing that way there is no fluctuation. Each release is the full series in book form.

And once you get the license you essentially pilfer the work already done by scanlation release groups edit it for errors and continuity and so they don't catch on, or offer them a piece of the sale. Whatever to keep things cheep. Also with licensing you can sell t-shirts and plushies.

Still startup capital would be necessary to fill the void and it would be a niche market with someone having to go to the cons and hock wares in the dealers corner.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Jay » Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:35 pm

Dave should do it as an extension of Shark Robot lolol
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Hana » Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:42 pm

zepherin wrote: . . . with someone having to go to the cons and hock wares in the dealers corner.


I would totally do this if I was being paid.
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Re: Tokyopop Goes Bye-bye

Postby Vegedus » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:07 am

PPDGD isn't realeased as a book or comic yet? I'm sure there'd be a market.
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