8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Sentios » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:36 pm

All I know is I've about grown tired of the leeches who are already jumping on this as a reason to why we should ban nuclear power.

The reality is that the reactor is older than Chernobyl, held up against an earthquake it wasn't designed to hold up against, held up against the many aftershocks, AND a tsunami yet still isn't into a meltdown. If anything this should be a testament to how safe the reactors are or at least how far we've come in handling them.

Meanwhile the news isn't mentioning the oil refineries over there that are going up in completely uncontrollable columns of fire.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Jay » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:48 pm

In fact, if we had approved some of this 3rd generation reactors (which those guys are opposing), none of these problems would be happening in the first place.

Problem happens because the electric pumps pumping the coolant into the thing got knocked out.

Hey, let's oppose the designs that would make those pumps unnecessary!
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Princess » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:06 pm

Can someone explain why we should have power plants and stuff like this in the first place?
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby EagleMan » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:22 pm

Because people need energy

it's not like having a ton of natural gas or oil would be any safer as Sentios said, unless you go pure solar or wind perhaps (which is still very impractical for large-scale needs). Due to the constant media frenzy over anything nuclear, modern nuclear reactors are incredibly safe. You can't really say the same for oil. An accident almost happens in Japan, due to events completely out of its control that it somehow still withstood, and everyone says that's why we shouldn't use it. BP has a well blow up for basically it's own fault (the disaster being outside the influence of nature) and the resulting oil screws up millions of things (without even catching on fire) and the ban on offshore drilling is lifted in less than a year. I think that's pretty telling about how ingrained the automatic suspicion of nuclear is. It could be warranted in the right perspective, but then that perspective should also view other sources of energy with equal suspicion otherwise you simply aren't being consistent.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby zepherin » Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:27 am

people can't see radiation and nuclear power has a sort of odd fear set in people. It can be scary but honestly it's our best power source available with the ultra compact breeder designs. If japan had used that the cores would have fused solid after the quake. On the flip side when they rebuild thei reactors they will prolly use the new design.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby DaCrum » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:02 am

Radiation is scary because you can't see it but it kills you. That and we invested a lot of our ideas into nuclear power during the Nuclear Age(strange coincidence eh?!), and that was just shattered with Chernobyl which killed thousands, and 3 Mile Island, which injured... 0. :|
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Vegedus » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:10 am

Jay wrote:Most don't mean harm.

The only truly offensive people are those harping on about Pearl Harbor, or equating this to Katrina.

People who cope with humour are hardly a problem.

Thirded. Humor is at it's most powerful in the face of disaster or controversial topics.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Glahardt » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:34 pm

Stufflikehearts wrote:Can someone explain why we should have power plants and stuff like this in the first place?
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby EagleMan » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:42 pm

Well it appears the earthquake's been updated to be a 9.0.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby zepherin » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:08 pm

EagleMan wrote:Well it appears the earthquake's been updated to be a 9.0.

Rugged. .1 on the richter scale is pretty large when the energy released is looked at.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Jay » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:20 pm

Yeah, if my history/language addled brain still remembers right, 9.0 is like, 11.1~% times stronger than 8.9, right?
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby EagleMan » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:09 am

Yeah since it's a logarithmic scale each point up is increasingly worth more. Like an 8.7 is 168 megatons but a 9.0 is 474 megatons. 9.0 being 10x stronger than an 8.0 so it'd be about 10% stronger I think if it was just moved up a point.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby zepherin » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:14 am

wouldn't it be a %100 stronger, because 10x is %1000 increase.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Jay » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:18 am

Lol, I'm rough on logs, but on a logical level, if each decimal point were only 10%, 8 going onto 9 would only be double, not 10x.

Rather, it's more like 10^x, where x is magnitude. I haven't done decimal exponents in a while, so nothing comes to mind how you actually deal with it.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby spazmonkey » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:53 am

Jay wrote:Lol, I'm rough on logs, but on a logical level, if each decimal point were only 10%, 8 going onto 9 would only be double, not 10x.

Rather, it's more like 10^x, where x is magnitude. I haven't done decimal exponents in a while, so nothing comes to mind how you actually deal with it.
You get a calculator. I don't know what factors they use to calculate the richter scale, but I think 8.9 to 9.0 is a 26% increase.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Sentios » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:41 am

Assuming the energy release for 1 is 1.

1
10
100
1,000
10,000
100,000
1,000,000
10,000,000
100,000,000
1,000,000,000

So then 8.9 is 900% stronger than 8.0 but only has 90% of the energy of a 9.0.

At least that's what I would think and that's purely on the Richter scale... however according to wikipedia there is a newer scale out there which is more accurate for these large quakes. I'm not sure how that effects the scaling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_magnitude_scale
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Jay » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:16 pm

spazmonkey wrote:You get a calculator. I don't know what factors they use to calculate the richter scale, but I think 8.9 to 9.0 is a 26% increase.

Imagine an Asian guy suddenly getting fed up with math, throwing his hands up in the air, and giving away all his scientific and graphing calculators away for either free or chump change.

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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Sentios » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:21 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sakN2hSVxA

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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Princess » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:22 pm

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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby zepherin » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:30 pm

I am just seeing oh good god come out of the mouth of your pony avatar.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby EagleMan » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:40 pm

Oh well. I'm waiting to get screwed myself. Every area on the Ring of Fire has been hit except my area..New Zealand, Chile, Japan.. all within the last year have had major earthquakes. My area shouldn't be that bad.. but no one really knows much about earthquakes (as in predicting them to any degree of reliable accuracy at all).
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby DaCrum » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:40 pm

EM: San Andreas is a strike-slip, not a subduction. We shouldn't get an earthquake on the same magnitude as say Japan or Chile. I'd say maybe a 7 at best.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby EagleMan » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:59 pm

I know (well not the technical terms but that it wouldn't be the same magnitude). Still, infrastructure is very poor in the U.S. The earthquake would also likely be centered near directly by Los Angeles which increases the destruction that much. Like what happened in Haiti for instance. A lot of places could withstand that magnitude but because of how close it was (and their excessively poor 3rd world infrastructure) they were devastated. It'd still be pretty bad here even though the magnitude will be less.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Valhallen » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:24 pm

Jay wrote:Yeah, if my history/language addled brain still remembers right, 9.0 is like, 11.1~% times stronger than 8.9, right?
It's probably using the modern moment magnitude scale, which is Image where Mw is the number and Mo is the energy. So 8.9 to 9.0 ideally represents about a 41% increase in energy, but in this case it's probably the other way around, where the energy estimate was revised upward such that 9.0 is a closer approximation than 8.9, with the difference in the estimates not necessarily corresponding to the ideal case.
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Re: 8.9 earthquake just striked Japan (UPDATE: Donation drive)

Postby Mr. Froggy » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:09 pm

The earthquake happened the first night we (USS Abraham Lincoln) were in Hawaii. For a moment there we thought we would have to do disaster relief, if the tsunami had caused damage in Hawaii that is. All in all, the only thing that happened was the zoo not opening for business, I think they had to move the animals to higher ground or something.
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