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Postby Spike » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:12 pm

In case you missed it in the "Post your Art" thread, Dave is going to be making an Art Forum!! I think it's awesome, and I can't wait, but I wanted to start a topic to discuss it because the last time we brought it up there was some dissention. I thought it would be good to come to a concensus before the forum opened.

This is the thread I'm making reference to instead of reviving. Quotes are derived from there.

I'm going to quote things that have been brought up and agreed with by 2 or so people (in the above link and the current art thread), sometimes I'm quoting myself. But, y'know..., I'm awesome so self-quotes are ok. ;)


Issue#1"Thread per artist" versus "Thread per piece" versus "sticky".
I personally still think that 1 thread per artist that gets revived by the artist with updates (NOT BY ANYONE ELSE EW) is the best solution. I still think stickies are stupid, because then we'll have many many pages of stickies. I also think that thraed per artist > thread per piece because we'll have fewer topics to follow/keep track of. You draw 5 things in a day, and 5 things tomorrow... you get the idea of how many threads that is now.

Some quotes on different sides of the issue:

I forgot to note it down, sorry. wrote:Maybe each member could have their own thread, where they update it with their art.


Commie wrote:Well, if we're doing a forum, it will work such that you post a thread for each of your creations, and people will reply to it. Each person does not get his or her own thread though. That's bleh.


Spike wrote:Also, no sticky topics (per artist) That's just nuts. If you show up and then leave, let your art fade with our memory of you



Issue#2"What is Art" and "What can be Posted"

Commie wrote:In fact if you're going to do that, I wouldn't limit it purely to art. We'd make it for ALL things created and wished to be shown off. We did that at Mall Monkeys so that it wasn't like we were favoring visual artists or something.


Spike wrote:Well, me too. Literature and Music are arts as well. Film is an art, Animation is an art... Poetry is an art...


I say all forms of art are welcome, just put whatever you create to update your 'art' thread :D

There is also an issue brought up in the Post your Art thread about posting fanart and other people's art. I think it's a good idea to have a "Bleedman fanart" and "Snafu fanart" thread, but I would like to move AGAINST posting other people's art, or limiting it to one thread only. Posting someone else's art can cause confusion as to what is and is not yours and could get you into trouble. Also, fanart of non-bleedman, non-Snafu stuff should go in your personal thread imo.


Issue#3"Desired Features"

Wildcard wrote:NOW if you WERE to make an art forum I'd like to see request threads, cotnest threads, etc etc. Like "Here's some awesome inks, color contest" or "This week's subject is: Bears! Draw away!" with only a few mods capable of posting "Contest" threads to keep from having too many going at once and not enough entries.


^^^ AWESOME idea, I would also like to see an advanced crits thread, a "how to draw" thread and other themy and challenge threads.

Anyway:: Comments, Suggestions??

Cole wrote:Three Forums for the artistic minds, under the sky
Seven for the Power Puff clods, in their halls all alone
Nine for mortal men, doomed to die
and one for the Dark Lord, on his dark throne
in the land of Snafu, where the shadows lie

One site to rule them all, One site to find them
One site to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them
in the land of Snafu, where the shadows lie

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Postby Cali Defender » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:22 pm

I like what you have compiled so far Spike, Cant really find anythign to disagree with even. damn.


One question for ponders sake:

Stuff that usually would have to be linked in the art thread, and put with a warning. Basically anything not work dafe. Same rules? Or would people just assume nobody at work or school would go in the art forum at that risk?

Im not talking about people posting porn, but artistic nudity and such.
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Postby Spike » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:24 pm

I've been thinking about that myself.

I would say that the rules for all of Snafu go for the art thread too.

No pornography/hentai. Artistic nudity and voluptuous babes ok, but MUST be put under a link with a NSFW tag. Also, pieces that are bigger than the screen should be scaled and linked.
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Postby InterimOfZeal » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:28 pm

<3 what Cole wrote... XD

At any rate, I'm hesitant about the "thread per artist" idea... That's quite a few threads to run through, as opposed to one nice thread to go for your art fix.

Then again, it could work out rather nicely if there turns out to be quite a few writer/musician/poets/inserteverythingelsehere types on the forums...

I'm harshly opposed to Thread Per Creation. IcyBrian's has that, and it's meh, at best. So much stuff to go through, just so that you don't miss much/anything.... r4wr.

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Postby Spike » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:37 pm

octodexy wrote:Why not have a specific section of the art forum for that?

I get sick of having to mention and link pictures are NSFW and then total tards still give me this "THATS NSFW OMGZ" crap.


What like a pr0n thread? If you put it behind a link and just say "NSFW" I don't see how there could be a problem. But I could suggest some guidelines if you want...

IOZ, CGTalk and a few other art boards have thread-per-artist and it works out quite well. It'd work kind of the way that Cole's "advice" thread worked. One of my boards is a trade board, so it *has* to be "thread per piece". Even though the trades run on monthly timecycles, pieces get lost FAST.
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Postby Cali Defender » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:38 pm

Like one thread meant for NSFW stuff?


Or a sub-forum?
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Re: Art Forum

Postby Flux » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:41 pm

You silly people are overthinking this. There's gonna be a rules page fifty pages long that none of the newcomers will read, and you'll have broken rules every day.

So a person makes their own thread for their stuff, and they post in it whenever they have new stuff to show. This process floats their topic to the top, and the people see that there is a grand possibility of new art being in said thread. People reply and remain holding the thread skyward, so the chattiest threads get the most exposure, then the people who get no reviews complain and bump their topics incessantly. It's really quite simple!

A few stickied threads could be implemented like for Snafu/Bleedman specific fanart. But the Bleedman fanart topic won't need to be stickied. :P

If there was a way to make it so that there was a checkbox available to the thread starter ONLY, indicating when new art has been added, (then and only then would the topic be bumped) that would be totally awesome.
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Re: Art Forum

Postby Spike » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:44 pm

I motion AGAINST further subforums. (Under 'Art')

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Flux wrote:You silly people are overthinking this. There's gonna be a rules page fifty pages long that none of the newcomers will read, and you'll have broken rules every day.

So a person makes their own thread for their stuff, and they post in it whenever they have new stuff to show. This process floats their topic to the top, and the people see that there is a grand possibility of new art being in said thread. People reply and remain holding the thread skyward, so the chattiest threads get the most exposure, then the people who get no reviews complain and bump their topics incessantly. It's really quite simple!

A few stickied threads could be implemented like for Snafu/Bleedman specific fanart. But the Bleedman fanart topic won't need to be stickied. :P

If there was a way to make it so that there was a checkbox available to the thread starter ONLY, indicating when new art has been added, (then and only then would the topic be bumped) that would be totally awesome.


YES Flux!!

But I don't think there is such an option.
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Re: Art Forum

Postby Flux » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:47 pm

Mwahahahah YET!

*Dances*

...Oh wait It might be impossible to do that. UNLESS SOMEONE KNOWS HOW TO?

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Cuz I don't.
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Postby Spike » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:49 pm

Seems complex.

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But they could put (new art 6/3) as an edited title when they revive it.
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Re: Art Forum

Postby Flux » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:51 pm

Zat eez true... Though I wanted to find a way to make it so commenters couldn't bump topics, so there's always a proper order to who's art is the latest. Let's go bug Commie about it! He can do ANYTHING!

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Postby Spike » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:52 pm

What's wrong with commenters bumping topics? We could just be harsher with bans for necrothreaders ;)
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Re: Art Forum

Postby Flux » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:59 pm

Yeah it really works either way. Like perhaps when the checkbox is used, it could tack on the date of most recent update in a variable spot on the end of the topic title?

So it would be "ART THREAD TITLE (UPDATED: 6/03)"

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Postby Spike » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:01 pm

I still say that just putting the date in the title of your own damn topic is enough XD And commenters keep the popular art popular.
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Re: Art Forum

Postby Flux » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:04 pm

I like the idea of forcing Commie to make a semiautomatic system better. But haha, silly me I didn't even think about the fact that we could just change our own topic titles :P

BUT IM SOO LAAAZY! I remember updating my old webcomic with this shitty piecemeal PHP script that lifeofwily used... ANd In order to make newsposts work, I'd have to upload separate shit, and then the dropdown navigation menu I'd have to update individually also. And I was always manually fucking with shit in the index file. It was a pain.

I know this is nowhere near that complex. I'm just SOOO LAAAZY! XD
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Postby Spike » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:06 pm

LAZY MC LAZYPANTS!!

I'm lazy too, but I think you'd do it if it meant getting you more attention lol
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Postby Cali Defender » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:07 pm

I say we enslave chimps to do it for us.
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Postby Crash » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:08 pm

I would say its a most interesting Idea....
at least then it will become a lot more organized, than its now, with all the brillaint (and less brilliant) drawings being piled up in one thread...
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Postby Spike » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:11 pm

Crash wrote:I would say its a most interesting Idea....
at least then it will become a lot more organized, than its now, with all the brillaint (and less brilliant) drawings being piled up in one thread...


Yeah, I find that piling art up in various "category" threads causes some people to be overlooked.
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Postby Lengeta » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:18 pm

If there's a tread per artist, I think only the artist should be able to post in that thread. Otherwise, new stuff should just be it's own thread, thus old art dies out as new is submitted, just like the threads here.
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Postby Cali Defender » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:23 pm

Then they cant get commentary tho.
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Postby Spike » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:23 pm

Why can't people comment on an artist's thread? I'm feeling some kind of conceptual divide here, either there's something I'm not getting or something others aren't getting...

Just like threads here... when an artist has a new piece, they will post it as a comment in their own thread. People will comment in reply, until there is nothing left to say. Then that thread will float down until there is new art in it again. If there's a good crit session in an artist's thread, then that's beneficial for everyone, why shouldn't it be at top?
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Postby Acktoo » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:27 pm

So, Dave finally folded, eh?
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Postby Spike » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:37 pm

Guess so :P I'm so excited!!! BWEEEE!!! ^_^ ^_^ ^_^
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Postby Acktoo » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:38 pm

*squeal*
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