Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

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Re: Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

Postby Grieffon » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:19 pm

Yikes, the last time I posted anything was exactly 4 months ago. School, blank canvas syndrome, and suck-ness-phobia are nasty.

I'm trying to get back, so I don't have anything fancy yet. Have this as a sign that I'm alive for now.

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Re: Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

Postby Cerulean » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:36 pm

Ahaha I know that feel (The suck-ness-phobia and blank canvas syndrome). Personally, though, I really enjoy your artwork and don't think that you suck at all c:
And it doesn't seem as if you've lost your touch in the time that you've been gone, these four paintings are beautiful! Glad to have you back in the Art Section again :D
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Re: Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

Postby Grieffon » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:45 pm

Thanks Cerulean

I'm testing out a new workflow, which double as a study on lighting. Seems to work better than how I did it before.

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Re: Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

Postby ari-6 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:00 pm

You are good at this. I could never manage digital painting. Probably because I always put drawing first. But painting of any kind is always visually impressive for the wow factor. I think probably because it is really easy to convey the skill that goes into the work. How long have you been arting for?
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Re: Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

Postby Grieffon » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:00 pm

Well, I can't manage drawing because I put painting first, so there's that. It would be nice if I can make some good shaded pencil drawings, but for now, even being able to sketch decently would be terrific. Since you focus on drawing, I want to ask something. Any tips on sketching (not finished drawing, just rough sketching), and would it be better to use a pen rather than a pencil? There's already plenty of resources on sketching humans, so I don't really need that for now. What I really want is to be able to quickly sketch environment, from nature to city to scifi stuff.

What problems do you have with digital painting? Maybe I can give some pointers.

As for how long I have been doing art, I do it on-and-off so much I don't even know. But for an estimate, adding all the time I actually do it together, I don't imagine it can be more than 3 months of working consistently. Don't be fooled. If you were me, you would know how bad I am at seeing colors and values, which is among the most important thing in painting.
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Re: Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

Postby ari-6 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:48 pm

Tips on sketching backgrounds? Well backgrounds aren't really what I'm best at but I could try. I can't advise sketching in pen, however it was the fierst thing they told us to do in Uni. Something like "Drawing something, deciding it's not right and then erasing it doesn't teach you anything. If you draw something with pun then start to learn more quickly because mistakes can not be erased" And I can't argue with the results http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/ ... 6rse6s.jpg I guess what I mean is I don't like doing it because all my drawing skills mainly come from OCD which can't be taught but if you are looking for a harsh exorcise that produces results then yeah, find photos of cities and nature and sketch them using pen.

As for problems with digital painting, I have a friend who also specialises digital painting and he asks me the same thing. I guess the problem is I never have enough time to practice with it to the point where it is a viable skill, which is also why I am not very good with water colours and markers. Everything I did was for something. A deadline that I ha to meet and so I can't afford to use a skill I haven't got the hang of, it's all about results after all. And I started hating it so much that I stopped doing it in my spare time so then everything I did was for a project. I would also say a problem I have with i is visualising what it is supposed to look like without lines. And I never really thought that the super realism style was for me so I don't really know what style of colouring would work best for me. So in the end I always end up going for the solid cell shaded look, even though i isn't always effective.

I have been doing art for a very long time and I can't help the feeling that I should be better by now. I constantly feel like I am not as good as I should be. I don't know if it is just psychological and I don't know how to get over it. Every time I think I am getting out of this rut I am hit with another failure and end up feeling worse than I did before. My tutors tell me that it is natural for artists to never be satisfied with their work and when they are they become stagnant but to me that says "I will never be satisfied with my work so I will never be happy". What are your thought on that?
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Re: Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

Postby Grieffon » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:58 pm

Dayum, what were you talking about with wow factor in painting. Being able to do that with something that can't be erased or painted over is much more impressive. And all those details...

For visualizing without lines, I just toss color in, redefine the edge, then add details. Here's what it looks like before I use a hard brush:

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Many people prefer to paint over lineart or sketch, especially with more detailed paintings, so you don't necessarily have to work without lines.

Unfortunately, every artists I know said the same thing, you will never be completely pleased with your work. Just have to learn to be happy with what you have while striving for the better, I guess. It's the same for everything, really. You should chase perfection to improve, but at the same time be aware that you will never reach it. You can talk to professional artists to see how they cope with it. I just do it as a hobby, so it's easier for me to accept it.
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Re: Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

Postby ari-6 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:08 pm

I do wish I was just doing this as a hobby but then I would have to think about how to get a real job and that would kill me way faster than this.
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Re: Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

Postby Grieffon » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:03 pm

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Pen and paper certainly is faster than actually painting it for studying purpose. I still don't know how to "suggest" surface texture though, especially with inorganic ones like a brickwall. How do I give the illusion of details for something like bricks without actually drawing all the bricks?
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Re: Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

Postby ari-6 » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:33 pm

Good job. Your perspective is off on the building however. I have a useful exercise book on mastering things like applying texture but I would advise against using biro. About wall textures, try making the bricks a little smaller so that you only need to suggest the pattern and you can get away with fudging it details when they are smaller. Don't draw one thing and then draw it again straight away, It get's tedious quickly. Instead draw something completely different and after ten or so drawing, go back to one of them and do it again to see improvement.
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Re: Grieffon's scenery n' stuff

Postby Grieffon » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:07 pm

Creating the composition of the past great painters with just 4 values is damn hard.

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... Don't really feel like I have learned much. Maybe color study will be better?
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