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Postby Faust777 » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:15 pm

Vegedus wrote:Uhhhhhhhhhhh... ((Haven't played Phoenix Wright))

Boot to the head!


A BOOT TO THE HEAD!! ALL OF YOU!
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Postby MrHoboX » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:29 pm

Your hands are steadily improving... Can world domination be far behind?
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Postby Vegedus » Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:51 pm

Certainly not! Soon, you will all be my slaves, KEAHAHAHA!!

Okay, late by a day, but I hope you'll survive, Ledd :P

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Well, I'm more worried about the chibifying. For some reason, I had a lot of trouble drawing the char's head, so after numerous tries, I took a different approach, by making a chibi, which worked much better. Hope ya don't mind, Leddkire.

And man, soon, I will begin conducting all sorts of weird experiments. I'm still having a lot of trouble deciding what kinda way I wanna ink, and if wanna ink at all.
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Postby Vegedus » Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:05 pm

Yayz, update. Stupid Ledd and his stupid disappearances forces me to double post.

First up, Coos in color:

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Still being manhandled, of course. I inked digitally for the first time and I, intentionally, didn't trace slowly, but jagged the tablet pen, like when I pencil, but with a clearer destination. I very much hate the whole tracing motion and it gives these wobly lines when I do it. And, I dunno, I kinda like the visuals of this too. Of course, the coloring style was also something new. By using the power of the "flow" setting, I've discovered a new way to lay down those shadows. I had other stuff to do, so I skipped the highlights, though, as experimenting with that could have taken a long time on it's own.

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Then there's the C.Y. pic. In progress. It's the ARX-7 Arbalest, comes from the anime Full Metal Panic, copyright of GONZO and all that.

I hate the legs. I hate 'em with all the fury in my body. This is possibly, or hopefully, the last time I'll draw fan-art ever, as the whole process of digging up references (even with well known stuff, I can never find any really good ones) and getting all the minuscule details is just no fun at all for me. That it was a mecha, which has a lot of detail, didn't help either.

Continuing the ink experimentation, I realized the main reason that I want a sketchy style is the art of Super Mario Strikers Charged. Funny, because I find the mario designs really simple and boring, but the art style used there is just... Something I wanna do. So, I tried emulating that when I inked this. I really have no clue what makes it work so well, so my version is more or less random lines all over.

I'm supposed to color it, of course I am, and I HAD the flat colors up and running, when PS decided I had, with a low 1k free, run out of RAM and refused to save the picture... *Rams head into table*. Of course, I hadn't saved at some earlier point in the coloring process.
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Postby Coos » Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:05 pm

Ooooo. Colored. Thank ye.

And ooooooo, nice Mech.
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Postby leddkire » Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:30 pm

Vegedus wrote:Yayz, update. Stupid Ledd and his stupid disappearances forces me to double post.


I couldn't help but laugh. 'Tis true though. Sorry for the disappearing XD

Interesting approach you did there with my char. You know, making it chibi really did help, and his expression is perfect with his personality, which is a very crazy one btw.

*saved* and thanks.

The coloring on the drawing of Joe looks very good. Have you tried using the pen tool for inking?
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Postby Vegedus » Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:52 pm

Not directly, no, but I've used it for many other things (depended on it entirely for shading, until I found out tablet was more fun), so I'm well aware of how it would work, and I could do it. I don't want to, though.

When I ink in hand, I always run the drawing through Adobe Illustrator, and convert it to vectors, to give it that crisp and make the lines more even and completely black. In it, you can choose between converting it to masses, or lines. I always choose masses, because line turns it into these monotone, perfect curvy lines. It looks more like something a computer generated than a persons hard work. If you don't get what I mean, compare generic anime art to Okami's. It's the same reason I kinda dislike flash. I'm quite sure the pen tool would create a similar effect as well.
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Postby Vegedus » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:11 pm

Gah! More double posting?! And once again, it's Ledd's fault! *shakes fist*

Anyway, to learn how to make a comic, you gotta draw a comic, but Still City isn't exactly a learning project. Too ambitious. Let's just say drawing the first act would give Rockwell problems. So, instead I'm doing something entirely different...

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A humor comic. With chibies. I ought to be able to do that. I figure it's going to be a spoof of anime and RPGs with lots of self-bashing jokes thrown in. Stay tuned for next exciting episode! Updated at random!
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Postby Dainen » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:26 pm

hehehe thats funny ^^ but the Chibi Warrior seems to have less hair at the back of his head...
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Postby MDK » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:37 pm

Vegedus wrote:Yayz, update. Stupid Ledd and his stupid disappearances forces me to double post.

First up, Coos in color:

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OMG!!!! I just noticed it.
SIX FINGERZZ!!!!!!!!!, Its a freak, get in the Car.
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Postby Vegedus » Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:45 pm

o.O?! I hadn't noticed it! Goddammit! That the worst proportion error I've done since the time where I never drew ears.
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Postby MDK » Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:05 pm

Lol, it happens to anybody
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Re: Vegedus' stuff - OMG COMIC!!1one1chibi2rule!!them!all -

Postby leddkire » Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:23 pm

OMG six fingers! well it just adds to the fact that Joe is being manhandled by tentacley monsters with a six fingered fist!

How come the second double post is my fault? Was I supposed to answer your comment? :P
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Postby Coos » Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:23 pm

That happened to me once, first time trying to work on hands.
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Postby Vegedus » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:49 pm

So, Relick wants me to put this

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in my gallery so she can comment it. That put me at a bit of a loss, because I find it weird to update with just one drawing that had already been posted elsewhere. Since I didn't really have a lot of other material ready, I decided to quickly scan some sketches from school. It isn't my best work, for obvious reasons, but like I have my old and embarrassing history of drawings in the first post, I think it dishonest to directly hide parts of your work. In essence, if I ever begin drawing porn/hentai, yes, I will post it. I'm proud, dammit (or something)!

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One of my friends who adores my skillz much (she clearly doesn't know any better) has asked me to draw her some dragons for her lil sis birthday, some I'm training dragons. None of my stories are fantasy, so I don't know if it's an useful ability to me, but dammit, they're dragons, you gotta be able to do those! I think I managed to get their heads down fairly quick too. On the other hand, bodies is what gives me trouble with humans, so dragons is probably the same.

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In general, I've begun training specific things, learning to draw one thing at a time. Females is also at the bat, currently. The upper was an attempt at generic cute female. Lower is attempt at drawing someone not at all feminine, but still discernible as being female. I think I succeded fairly well in both cases.

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I still toil a bit with it, but I'm beginning to have the new hair down.

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And last, is a small (hehe, so witty) preview of the C.Y. entry. Considering I'm quite good at chibies already, I figured I needed something truly epic if I were to challenge myself. Let's just say, that with this drawing, I'm not even done with a tenth of it.
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Postby Relick » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:58 pm

I like the one of me (of course), but the dragons look awesome!
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Postby Vegedus » Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:55 pm

Wraaarh, mega update of doom! Procrastination is a funny thing. Instead of working on the big paper I should be doing, I'm arting to the extreme. If I get anymore homework, I'll be a pro illustrator in no time! Anyways:

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Got chibi? Now in dragon edition!

Originally meant to have been a part of a bigger C.Y. picture that got dropped due to time restraints. Instead, it became the culmination of the dragon practice, as I used it for the purpose mentioned above.

I know the pose, especially the feet, is a bit screwy, but I was simply unable to fix it, no matter how many times I redrew those parts. Oh well, she was perfectly happy with it. She isn't much of a connoisseur XD

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Because of my... "Transformation" I needed a female eye as avatar, as I usually have male eyes there. I decided to do it in a big resolution, since that would make it turn out better, and I could always submit it here to make it not feel like a lot of wasted effort.

But I don't really like how it came out. I'm beginning to reach more and more into the field of digital painting, but as I still have lines, this stands in an awkward position between being a drawing and a painting. And also... I have tired of realism. This picture made me realize that. I may not be too good at it, but aside from the anime hair and cellshading, simplified realism has always been what I attempted. This must be the most realistic thing I have created, and I don't like it at all...

"Screw it, I'm gonna draw some anime eyes now"

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And I did. I felt prompted to at last begin finding my own style. All evidence seems to suggest you need to get the basics, realism, down before you begin developing a style, if you want to be a great artist. Well, I'm shooting for above average, not great or pro, so I'm gonna start developing my style now, half-way, or quad-way, or whatever. Ok, that's not exactly true. I intend to do some life drawings soon, or, as soon as I can find some life that wanna stand still for me, which of course will be done realistically.

Anyway, a style to me is defined by three things: How much general detail there is, how much exaggeration there is, and how the head is drawn. Everybody draws bodies, machines, nature, whatever, nearly the same, only with different levels of exaggeration and simplification. However, about everybody draws a head, and especially the face, differently. And no, I'm not just talking about anime having teacup eyes, and western having not. There are many more differences than that. So, since I already know what I'm shooting for in the two first (much detail, little exaggeration), I just have to decide on facial features.
Like eyes. Out of the plethora there, though, I haven't decided which I like best. I'm sorta partial to the square, yu-gi-oh like ones, but they seem to be unable to communicate anything, but "I am angry/serious". They just don't look relaxed at all.

Here's some notes, to myself, about what I like in some of the eyes:
- Line Variance
- Lines on the brow to suggestion hair direction
- Form of brow suggesting gender
- No emphasized tear ducts
- Realistic size (if not form)
- Lines over and under visible eye, suggesting eye lids
- Broken line at tear duct, whole the rest of the way
- Hexagon shape, with rounded corners

Yeah, that's... Pretty specific. So maybe I know what I want. It's only the exact form that teases me, but that can vary from character to character.

But I'm not done yet!

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I decided since I was on a roll, I could as well do some much overdue muscle study. And in art, you learn by doing. I used this as reference, and basically copied exactly, of course taking different perspectives into consideration. Or, tried. I suck at it. More importantly, I also drew him with the proportions listed at the top. 8 heads and all that. It brought a problem I've had before and never solved to my attention again. I normally losely measure my characters height, and not based on a specific number of heads. When I do, and I make them the apparently realistic 8 heads tall... Their heads seem way to small. I don't know why. Is it my eye that's something wrong with? I have a picture of a guy standing straight in front of me, made by a pro artist, and he is 8 heads tall, and fits the measurements exactly. What did I do wrong? Is it part of my subconscious style to chibify people a small bit?
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Re: Vegedus' stuff - Relick, preview and school sketches -

Postby leddkire » Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:24 pm

Holy turd thats alot of eyes!

Keep working on finding your own style. You seem to be doing a better job than me on procrastinating XD
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Postby Vegedus » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:47 pm

I am working, I am working! When I'm not playing guitar hero or FFVII, I'm drawing! Now that the eyes are more or less out of the way, I have returned to experiments with hair.

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The one with the circle around it is more or less the style I'm shooting for. The philosophy behind it, is that the hair is divided into a number of very thick strands, each of which is treated as a separate object completely, and is thus divided by lines from the other strands, all the way to where it sprouts from the scalp. The standard anime approach would be to treat an area with lots of strands overlapping as a single mass. While my approach isn't much more realistic, it does illustrate the hair as not being a single object, which I like.

Aside from hair study, I've been mostly doodling randomly. I haven't really finished a lot, which irks me a bit. So, sketches ahoy.

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Guy-with-black-things-growing-out-of-his-back deflecting some bullets or something. Maybe I should just call him Sknevi or something.

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Cecia looking kind of.... cute? AND BENDING HER HEAD UPWARDS! I still have trouble drawing the head different angles around the vertical axis, which, I figure, is a kind of basic thing to do. Damn I suck.

Did I mention I was playing FFVII a lot these days? Some of you may know this guy:

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Good ol' spiky haired Cloudo. Considering VII is far inferior to VI, I realized I was now obliged to also draw some VI fanart. Edgar is about the most iconic VI character I could think of.

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... and it's official. I now hate cellshading. After having worked with soft shading and painting-like coloring for a while now, it just feels to take a step backwards like that. So, apart from all my other style experimentations, I now also have to find a style of soft shading I like. Ah, yes. The road goes ever on.
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Postby Coos » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:02 pm

You and me both hate the shading.:D
Nice stuff, I like the second one with the Buleets and the Deflectorz.
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Postby Vegedus » Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:08 am

Well, we don't have to cope with it any longer. I think I'm simply geared towards soft shading. Cell shading is too unrealistic and inflexible. Indeed, I seemed to almost have an epiphany yesterday when I created this:

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The lines are mehish. There's a lot of foreshortening going on, none of which is done well. His left hand is in far in front of his face. He's leaning forward a bit, which was supposed to be represented by his t-shirt hanging losely, but it just looks like he's got breasts -_-. Likewise, the right leg is bending towards the viewer, which is why it appears much shorter than the other. Those factors combined is partially why he seems to short.

HOWEVER. The colors. Oh god. When I first began and it just looked right, I got trembles of joy and while I'm not a big fan of arrogance, I gave myself a pad on the back when I was finished. Then went back to moping about the awful line art. In case you're curious, all the shadows, and the light too, actually, is done with a standard brush, set with a very little flow (flow is somewhat alike to opacity, but smarter) and a varying hardness depending on type of shadow (cast shadows are hard). Varying size as well, of course, but generally as big as possible, it makes it smoother.
There's also texture on everything but the shoelaces. Ever since the positive feedback on the Big Daddy, and the discovery of my hatred for blank spaces, I knew I had to get into texturing, but I hadn't bothered. Plus, it doesn't fit with cell shading very well. Well, I did it here, and I love it. The hair is suddenly a distinguished object, made out of something entirely different than the rest, and you can tell his pants aren't made of plastic. There are somethings that could have been done better (the skin just looked dirty when it's texture's opacity was turned up), but it's not like I'm disappointed. The hair was made simply with brush strokes of varying colors, and the rest was made by creative use of different filters. I used no download able textures or brushes, which might have been a bad idea.

Also, the shirt says "rise A" which is the A for anarchy, and can be rearranged to say Aries. I'm so smart, huhu.

And you're probably looking at the rift in his pants and wondering, and yes, he isn't wearing underwear. Aries is individualistic, and all that.

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'Tis the first zodiac thingie I drew. Gemini is my own zodiac, so I figured I'd try and project myself onto. Twins aren't necessarily alike people, so the idea was to contain all the positive aspects of the gemini (or me) into one head, and all the negative in the other. Originally, they were also supposed to be doing something, but I was at loss for what and how to compose it, so it ended up just being a headshot, which was the reason I didn't bother working further with it, or even submit it.

Also, I've forgotten to mention I've studied and practiced at my inking, which I personally think has improved a lot. It's still wonky and unstable, but it has all sorts of fancy line variations now. The Aries pic wasn't run through Illustrator, as I usually do. It does seem as if the only way to get the clean inking I want is to do it wholly digitally, but it just takes soooo long. I doubt it would be feasible if I ever get that comic started. Same to the coloring really.

Aaaaand I'm still totally open to request, though I need to do Hiryu's first.

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Postby Relick » Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:52 am

Ooooh, that Gemini pic is very surreal! I like it!
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Re: Vegedus' stuff - Zodiacs -

Postby leddkire » Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:03 pm

Textures FTW.

I'm jealous of your texturing abilities -.-
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Postby Crosis » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:27 pm

*High fives* Woot for Gemini! *Is a Gemini*
Anywho, on the first zodiac picture, the hair seems very flat. I'd imagine for someone to imitate a similar hairstyle would take copious amounts of hair gel. The hair is really the only criticism I have.

Requests eh?

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Do it as training for drawing a dragon. ^_^ Totally understand if ya can't do it, but I would luff it. <3 crosis.
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Postby Coos » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:30 pm

I coulda swore I commented this...ah well.
Great update. and like ledd said, awesome Textureing.
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