New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Megadon » Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:31 pm

I was just saying that's what it feels like is going to happen. I mean this entire situation right here kind of screams it. Especially with Tak snatching the GameSlave from Gaz, and trying to sympathize with her. And Tak might actually need some help. Cause remember thanks to Zim and Dib; Tak lost her base and most of her tech.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Hallow Nova » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:29 am

Based off her attitude from the series, I personally hope for a bit less predictability.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Tisvana18 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:59 am

Well Tak's bounced back with less.

I can't see Tak and Gaz working together without breaking character in some serious facet. Neither of them are the kind to form a team without extraneous circumstances. Mind you, I'm not saying it can't happen. I just can't see it being executed properly.

Personally I'd rather see them forced to handle something thrown out of the left field. The introduction of an OC might irritate some people, but I'd rather that than the generic team-up story.

Plus if this story goes the direction that all the other comics on NEK's resume to go, any team up will probably just be an excuse for Tak/Gaz pairing and inappropriate shots of at least one extremely underage character.

I'm still optimistic for the left field thing though. Too early to be cynical :grin:
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Havoc » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:05 am

I'm glad you share in our skepticism. Also apparently it's not NEK writing these stories, it's Bleed himself that's writing all of them except PPGD and SK. NEK just edits.

Tenshi Nova wrote:Based off her attitude from the series, I personally hope for a bit less predictability.

Same here. I don't really like the idea of Gaz and Tak working together, like you said, it just seems too predictable, and unexciting.

Tisvana18 wrote:Thank you!

Also this is what brought me here too. Came for the IZ, stayed for the Snafu. It is kind of bothersome that only Bleedman updates regularly on here. How would one go about having their own comics posted here? Like what forum would that be?

As a side note (since one of the first few comments mentioned it), I'm banking on the idea that the voices in the comic are Lard Nar and Schloontapooxis.

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As for the voices in the comic: some of us have suspected that it's the RESISTY. You'll have to excuse me, I haven't watched much IZ.

ari-6 wrote:Nothing like that happened in the show. He did actually say "I like Tak" but the fact that he said it so easily and the connotation of the conversation, he just thought of her as a fried. They both had mutual hatred for Zim and mutual respect for each other. However the way NEK worded it, It definitely sounded like that was what he was implying.

Did he also think of her as a baked or rotisserie style? I kid of course. I was kinda hoping for something along the lines of: Dib had a crush on her in the show, before he knew she was an Irken.

ari-6 wrote:Something else I hate about this page. Tak is back! No one seems to notice or care. Gaz probably already knew but Dib? You would expect some kind of reaction. And if she had been around for a while then you would expect some kind of explanation. She isn't the kind to just "hang out"

I agree. Like I said: her introduction was awfully lackluster and nonchalant. It's understandable that Gaz might not show much of a reaction, but I wish Dib and Zim would act at least a little suprised. Maybe they just haven't noticed her yet. I mean, Dib just got up off the ground, and Zim is focusing on Gir right now.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Hallow Nova » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:42 am

No, I'd say no romantic interest at all. If anything Dib went from creeped out to impressively creeped out.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Higurashi » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:45 am

My opinions on this are mixed.

I do agree that the page formatting leaves much to be desired, but thus far I've found the character models themselves somewhat adequate. As far as the over-voicing goes, I'd thought it was the Almighty Tallest. (On account of there being two of them and having alternating colors. Plus what looks like Irken script in the background.)

Wonder if anyone will ever try and out Blood to the FBI or someone for suspicion of child pornography.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Havoc » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:49 am

1) Based on their dialog, I'm pretty sure it's not the Tallests.

2) I think it's Bleedman, not Blood Lord you're thinking of.

3) Bleed lives in the Philippines.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Tisvana18 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:52 am

Shayamalan twist: Tak is actually a figment of Gaz's imagination.

Thank you ^-^. Lard Nar is the leader of the RESISTY and Schloontapooxis appeared to be his right hand man. I grew up on Invader Zim and much of my creative life was heavily influenced by it, so I know far more about it than I'm comfortable with.

Like I said before, I got the impression in the show that Dib enjoyed spending time with Tak and may have exhibited the tiniest bits of a ten-year old crush on her. At least that was until he found out she was Irken. Then all bets were off.

I kind of assumed that Dib didn't see Tak. Actually, he might see her in the next page. He hasn't run off yet, just did impressive acrobatics away from his sister.

Tak's introduction into the comic is much better/more amusing if you imagine that she just teleported there like Slenderman.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Havoc » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:06 am

I think I'd be a bit upset if Tak was nothing more than Gaz's Tyler Durden. However this would make sort of an interesting twist. lol

Tisvana18 wrote:Lard Nar is the leader of the RESISTY and Schloontapooxis appeared to be his right hand man.

That's sorta what I thought, I just wasn't sure until I Googled it.

[quote"Tisvana18"] I grew up on Invader Zim and much of my creative life was heavily influenced by it, so I know far more about it than I'm comfortable with.[/quote]
I've only seen like 4 or 5 episodes of it. So what happened to Tak and the RESISTY at the end of Invader Zim?

I think it's safe to say that this comic is taking place sometime after the events of the original cartoon. I sorta wonder how far into the future this is.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Tisvana18 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:27 am

Well it was never resolved since the show was cancelled halfway into its second season. Tak was supposed to become a recurring antagonist. The leading speculation about the series finale that was planned was that the RESISTY would team up with Meekrob and Dib and start a massive war between the Irkens and all the races that they enslaved.

The resolution isn't known, but is usually speculated to have been Zim and Gaz ruling the Irken Empire together. I feel like the Gaz part was thrown in there by some shippers though, haha.

The last we saw of the RESISTY though was when they fled in their escape ships at the end of "Backseat Driver from Beyond the Stars"

It's a shame. I really liked them.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby ari-6 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:19 am

Tisvana18 wrote: Lard Nar is the leader of the RESISTY and Schloontapooxis appeared to be his right hand man.

I hae been telling people that the voices are these two but no one listened to me. They sound like the them, they have the same colour schemes as them. I even included a picture so people would know who I was talking about. I made a short list of the relevant episodes to watch. But all I got was "It's probably the resisty..... Maybe" or "I think it's the tallest because there are two of them" Sigh

Yeah Tak and Gaz teaming up straight away would be kinda predictable. But Bled has a track record for predictable. They are most definitely going to team up. Just look at the cover page. Plus the fact that he has been drawing them together. My guess would be Tak and Gaz team up to do....... Something and Zim and Dib need to team up to stop the evil......... Things they do.

I thought that Tak going rebel would be interesting but not straight away! I imagined it would take getting screwed over one more time first.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby ULTRADJWEEN » Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:17 am

Tisvana18 wrote:Well it was never resolved since the show was cancelled halfway into its second season. Tak was supposed to become a recurring antagonist. The leading speculation about the series finale that was planned was that the RESISTY would team up with Meekrob and Dib and start a massive war between the Irkens and all the races that they enslaved.

The resolution isn't known, but is usually speculated to have been Zim and Gaz ruling the Irken Empire together. I feel like the Gaz part was thrown in there by some shippers though, haha.

The last we saw of the RESISTY though was when they fled in their escape ships at the end of "Backseat Driver from Beyond the Stars"

It's a shame. I really liked them.


I wouldn't mind if they kinda used some ideas that never made it into the show. Not out right copy, but a war between the Resisty, Meekrob, Dib, and all the races the Irken enslaved against the Irkens themselves is something I would like to see towards the end of this comic. But yeah, also throwing in the mix of original interesting ideas is all the more good as well.

I'll side with Ari on this, it has to be the Resisty. I haven't watched to much of Invader Zim, but I do know some, and it wouldn't make sense if it was the Tallest talking, and unless there's another party involved, it's got to be the Resisty.

I'm guessing in the Philippines Bleed can get away with drawing what he does. Don't know the laws, but who knows what goes on there.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby ari-6 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:12 pm

I think laws are pretty sketchy everywhere when it comes to drawn stuff. Probably not seeing him on dateline any time soon.

I would have also liked to see how the ending they had planned would play out. I think they said that the final episode would have been called "Invader Dib" and they were thinking of having a series of events that eventually leads to Zim and Dib essentially swapping places but hadn't worked out the story yet. As much as I would like to have seen that, I kind of hope that they don't try to "Write the ending that would have been". I know that this is eventually going to be an ending for the series (At least how someone thinks it should end, assuming it ever ends properly) but I hope they don't try to "Pick up where the series left off" and only go with original stuff.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Sig Skellington » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:40 pm

ari-6 wrote:I hae been telling people that the voices are these two but no one listened to me. They sound like the them, they have the same colour schemes as them. I even included a picture so people would know who I was talking about. I made a short list of the relevant episodes to watch. But all I got was "It's probably the resisty..... Maybe" or "I think it's the tallest because there are two of them" Sigh

Main thing the "maybe" has been coming from, Ari, is that, given the track record of Bleed and NEK together, it's difficult to be sure of anything. It's hardly that no one's listened to you. Personally, I think that that idea's the most promising yet. But, and I mean no offense when I say this, until the voices are officially identified in the comic, it's still just an idea.

But you don't have to listen to me. My knowledge of IZ spans about twenty minutes worth of footage, of which I cannot remember what I had seen.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Tisvana18 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:54 pm

I think this comic would be really interesting though if we started off in the general vicinity of the "Invader Dib" episode and followed through that little war.

However I doubt that's what's happening right now.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby xbox432 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:33 pm

Sigment wrote:I dunno, still not as bad as GT or SB right now. Besides, we've made a little progress in that Tak's been proven to not be one of the narrating observers. That Resisty idea's really starting to look promising. Although, there is something...

Is it me, or are those alien letters Unown?


Now that you said it, some of those letters do seem to resemble the Unknown. http://kihkyho.deviantart.com/art/pokemon-called-unknown-100107025 They're not copy and paste or anything, but some do seem to be inspired by them.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Havoc » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:41 am

ari-6 wrote:
Tisvana18 wrote: Lard Nar is the leader of the RESISTY and Schloontapooxis appeared to be his right hand man.

I hae been telling people that the voices are these two but no one listened to me. They sound like the them, they have the same colour schemes as them. I even included a picture so people would know who I was talking about. I made a short list of the relevant episodes to watch. But all I got was "It's probably the resisty..... Maybe" or "I think it's the tallest because there are two of them" Sigh

Chill the fuck out, Ari. After all, You were the one that brought the RESISTY to our attention, so we're not ignoring you. However you never once mentioned the name of those two characters you in that picture you posted, so I wasn't sure who Tisvana18 was talking about. Also I noted the list of episodes you gave me as well as the link, but as I've said: it was very nice of you, but I haven't had the time to look into them. Also like Sigment said, we're not even 100% sure that it's the RESISTY.

ari-6 wrote:Yeah Tak and Gaz teaming up straight away would be kinda predictable. But Bled has a track record for predictable. They are most definitely going to team up. Just look at the cover page. Plus the fact that he has been drawing them together. My guess would be Tak and Gaz team up to do....... Something and Zim and Dib need to team up to stop the evil......... Things they do.

I really hope Gaz and Tak don't team up. To me the idea is just so lame and predictable. I know the cover art strongly supports this notion, but I'm gonna hope for the best and say that it's not what it looks like; maybe there's something more to it. I really like the idea of them using some of the things Tisvana18 mentioned, and building off of what could have been.

Also what/who is Meekrob?
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Hallow Nova » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:44 am

If they do team up, I'm hoping for an extreme lack of trust issues. Like, Tak wants to use Gaz for some reason, maybe to control a mecha? I vaguely remember Gaz playing a game that was actually a drone inside Dib, so Tak could note Gaz's talent for such things. And ofc, Gaz being as cool as she is, won't fall for such a ploy.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby ari-6 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:59 am

I also called Gaz piloting a mech. And I did actually say the characters names. Or one of them at least. The one I could spell. I also wasn't the one who said resisty first. Blord called it one post before mine. Sorry for sounding over aggressive about something so small. It just felt to me like a said something that was really an obvious answer and people just went on trying to guess and never noted me. Then when somebody else said exactly the same thing everyone suddenly took notice. At least that's what it felt like, sorry.

The Meekrob were shapeshifting aliens who were in a war with the irken empire. The end of the episode made it seem like the were completely fictional but plans for an unmade episode revealed that they were going to be written in so I guess they really do exist. As for whether they have the power they had in the series, I would guess probably not. Otherwise I assume they would have destroyed the empire already.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Havoc » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:22 am

@Ari: It's cool, Bro; no harm done. I know how annoying it can be when someone ignores something you just said, only to say the exact same thing. It happens quite a few times on this forum.

Also about these Meekrob: What exactly do you mean by "fictional" (other than the given fact)? Also what sorta power did they have that was capable of destroying the empire?

@Tenshi: Ha, I actually remember that episode; it was one of the only few I watched. Like I said, maybe there's more to that cover art than meets the eye. Maybe Tak is holding Dib hostage, and forcing Gaz to use her awesome skills to control some sort of death machine, that Tak doesn't know how to operate. A bit ludicrous, I know, but still...
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Tisvana18 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:33 am

In the episode "Dib's Wonderful Life of Doom" Zim tricked him with a hologram thing of the Meekrob. The whole episode is pretty complicated to explain without spoilers, but they claimed to be enemies of the Irken Empire and at the end a lot of people got the impression that Zim made them up.

Their "power" I would assume was being a being of pure energy. Not a lot is known, but that alone can make for some dangerous foes. They aren't currently in a war with the Irken Empire, just hostile. After Tenn's base and cover is blown to smithereens they discover her and hold her hostage which goads the Irkens into a full blown war. When I get my Art thread posted, I'll put up a picture (a panel from a project I'm working on) which has quite a few Meekrobians in it.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby ari-6 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:33 am

Seriously just a couple of episodes could answer all the questions you have.

As for Gaz piloting a mech, everyone knows that gamers have skills that directly correspond to piloting mechs. So all those hours of constant button mashing will pay off one day.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Hallow Nova » Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:40 am

I don't think spoilers are a problem here. So feel free to explain anything anyone feels is needed.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby ari-6 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:02 am

Or make a helpful list of relevant episodes with a link to where they can be watched so that they too can enjoy what happened for the small cost of 20 minutes of their time.
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Re: New Invader Zim MD: "Salvation by Invasion" 8/5/2014

Postby Tisvana18 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:30 am

http://invaderzimepisodes.com/sitemap/

I believe they have every episode including the pilot there, albeit out of order. They're all free to watch and don't really need to be seen in any particular order.

Relevant ones:

Tak the Hideous New Girl
Dib's Wonderful Life of Doom
Megadoomer
Nano Zim (so you can see where Gaz has experience with piloting things)

And The Nightmare Begins (so you can get a good introduction to all the main characters)
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