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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby MQuinny1234 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:41 am

I too find it hard to believe that none survived, or at least, none with the potential to become airbenders did, if you know what I mean. Unless the race that airbenders originated from was shamelessly small, I'd have thought, that in those regions of airbenders, a few kids would have the skills down the lines.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Mon-Kitsune » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:23 am

Well, they did say the Air Nomads were the smallest of all the nations smaller by far than even the Waterbenders.
I think it also has to do with location. All of the Airbender retreats were high up on inaccessible mountains. I get the feeling they didn't have much in the way of neighbors. They also may have been forced to be small. It's said they have very limited agriculture and even less in other economic pursuits. The four nations may have been at peace pre Soizin, but the isolation means that international trade was probably minimal.) So they may not have been able to SUPPORT a large population, the classic Malthus problem. I suppose that also means that, eventually, the New Air Nation has the potential to become far larger than the old one ever did.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Tenshi Nova » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:35 am

Not a single rogue Airbender in the middle of the Earth Kingdom.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Slendy » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:04 pm

Tenshi Nova wrote:Not a single rogue Airbender in the middle of the Earth Kingdom.

There very well could have been, but that doesn't guarantee that they had children. If they did have children, there's also no guarantee that they would have been airbenders.

I'm just waiting for them to pull out a deus ex machina and reveal a secret, long lost 5th air temple that's actually a floating island above the clouds. On it will be thousands of airbenders descended from those that managed to escape the fire nation during the airbender extinction, hiding all traces of their existence as they fled. I'd like to think that they were able to save the women and children this way while the men held off the fire nation. After the horrors the fire nation inflicted on them, they became severe isolationists and will be very reluctant to reestablish contact with the world. They will also have a different mentality than the air nomads we're used to, focusing more on combat airbending to protect themselves from future conflicts. Earlier this year, it was confirmed that a sub-skill to airbending will be shown at some point in LoK (forgive me, I don't have a link). If anyone was going to develop it, I'd say these airbenders would be the ones to do it.

The alternative is that Tenzin's children will have to find spouses and get busy (preferably with nonbenders, since that seems to give the best ratio of airbender children) and have as many children as possible, who will in turn do the same. Eventually the air nomads will thrive again, hopefully as a solid air nation. But most of their traditions and history will still be lost to time. This also means that if by some miracle we got a third series, or even just a special episode set in the future, the avatar world would have to be at or near spacefaring technology before there will be enough airbenders to be considered their own nation. Finding a hidden civilization of airbenders would fix this issue.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Tenshi Nova » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:32 pm

I've imagined that other possibility before, but then I thought that the children of the Air Nomads would've still went to Aang, once the war was over.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Mon-Kitsune » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:59 pm

Depend. If they were serios isolationists they might avoid contact even under those circumstances. Also they could consider Aang's take on re-establishment of the Air Nation as a "corruption" Aang already married a non-airbender (he really didn't have much of a choice, but still0 allowed non airbenders to become a part of the air community and put them on the same level as benders would be (remember, for at least some period, it was an Air acolyte who was representing the air tribe on the World Council. And as I said, even beyond the lack of bending abilities, there are some parts of Airbender culture that the Acolytes don't practice like the hair styles (as far as I can remember, none of the female acolyes have the shaved forehead of female airbenders (the shaved forehead is to make more of the arrow visible, but the wiki was very clear that airbenders start shaving their heads LONG before they get arrows. And while most of the males DO shave their heads, even that isn't universal, there was at least one male acolyte with hair in one of the group scenes (he was balding, but balding isn't the same thing as having a shaved head). These things are no big deal within the context of the Air nation as it stands now, but to other airbenders they might be tantamount to blasphemy. As you said any "lost" airbenders would have had to be rather isolated, and there is nothing like isolationism to breed dogmatism, fundamentalism, racism and fanaticism.
And I already mentioned the one real risk to the world with all of the airbenders coming from Tenzin's line; a one family nation carries the risk of future avatars being loyal to their family, not the world. When the next Air avatar shows up, they'll still be only about 250 possible candidates (assuming that each member marries has about 4 children, and they ALL are airbenders) that sounds like a lot but it's still small enough to be a pretty close clan (especially since Airbenders like to live close to each other. I'm wondering if, down the road, we are going to wind up with a "cult of Aang" to deal with.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Tenshi Nova » Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:15 pm

I'm liking this theory. Aang was said to have found an island of Sky Bisons right? The location of a such a place for Airbenders could be revealed by a spirit that didn't find it significant.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Slendy » Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:38 pm

Tenshi Nova wrote:I've imagined that other possibility before, but then I thought that the children of the Air Nomads would've still went to Aang, once the war was over.

The way I imagined it, they don't even know that the war ended or what its outcome was. They would have shut themselves off to the outside world, only paying attention to it if they were somehow discovered. Obviously they would have sentries posted to watch the sky below for any potential outsiders, but that doesn't mean they know what world events are happening. They would be discovered either through a clue Tenzin locates at one of the air temples or from a past Avatar, like Yangchen, informing Korra.

Mon, I'm not sure I agree with the basis of a "cult of Aang." The Avatar already has to overcome bias since they come from 1 nation (and 1 place within that nation). Simply having a much smaller nation wouldn't make this bias any more difficult to overcome. In fact, it isn't much different from before since, as far as we know, there were no differing factions of air nomads. Sure, there were the 4 temples, but we've seen no evidence to state that any 1 temple had any reason to have a different philosophy from its counterpart temple (since there were 2 male temples and 2 female temples) or the opposite gendered temples. So they pretty much were a small group (in proportion to the world) that was one big family. The new air nation shouldn't be much different.

So long as Tenzin teaches his children properly, they do the same for their kids, and so forth, then I find it very unlikely for even one person to turn "rogue." For your cult theory, basically the entire family would have to turn rogue (or at least the powerful majority). I could see an airbending villain at some point if we had more of them, but right now they're really only focused on repopulating. But with my idea of finding a lost civilation of airbenders, they would finally be able to integrate airbenders into the modern society (like on pro bending teams) and we could even get a good airbending villain. Perhaps the leader of the group decides to strike back at the world, blaming the fire nation for obvious reasons and everyone else for failing to help. Then it would be up to Korra, with help from Tenzin and his kids, to defeat him and convince the airbenders to come back into the world.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Tenshi Nova » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:20 am

I would personally not want to see Korra discovering a secret society of Airbenders, I hope for another Avatar to do so.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby MQuinny1234 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:15 pm

As for the secret society thing, I doubt they'd be so much "secret" as forgotten due to isolation. I personally find the idea of other airbenders appearing in the show somehow to be perfectly likely, a good few ways it could have happened, but just their existence. Not the airbender culture we know.
Slendy wrote:The alternative is that Tenzin's children will have to find spouses and get busy (preferably with nonbenders, since that seems to give the best ratio of airbender children)

That's odd...Why would that give a higher ratio?
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Tenshi Nova » Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:41 pm

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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Slendy » Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:44 pm

MQuinny1234 wrote:That's odd...Why would that give a higher ratio?

Well, we don't know how much bending and genetics are related in the Avatar world. I also don't have much to base that opinion off of other than looking at Aang's children and Tenzin's children. Aang with Katara produced 1 airbender out of 3 children while Tenzin with Pema produced 100% airbenders (I believe it was confirmed that Rohan is also an airbender). But it's easy to see that 2 benders can have 3 possible types of children (both bending styles and nonbending) while a bender + nonbender can only have 2 (the one bending style and nonbending). So if your goal is to produce more airbenders, you'll want to give yourself the best odds by marrying a nonbender.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby MQuinny1234 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:14 pm

I have doubts that genetics are an overly strong indicator of bending. I mean...I seriously doubt there's not a healthy dose of magic locked into things.

But I guess you're right about the possibilities, although I can't make myself see it as-
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Blood Lord » Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:02 pm

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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Mon-Kitsune » Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:20 pm

I'm not so sure that the ratio changes that much. It's canon for the show (I think) that it IS possible for two non benders to have a bender child; that non benders can be "carriers" for bending genes If I recall neither of Katara's parents were benders (though her grandmother was) Katara's mother only CLAIMED to be a bender to stop the Fire soldier from investigating further and figuring out Katara was. So I tend to think that EVERYONE in the avatar world has the potential to produce benders. Which means that there is always a chance of any non bender suddenly having their tribes genes pop up. I don't know what nation Pema belonged to initially (going wholly by her complexion, I guess earth). But if Tenzin had a bender of another sort as a kid (or the conformation was wrong, and Rohan proved to be a bender of another sort)
But it probably isn't wholly genetic. There is the matter of the twins they met in the earth kingdom, where one could bend and the other couldn't.
I also don't really LIKE the implication of that ratio though. It almost argues for Tenzin forcing his kids into arranged marriages. No one thought it was wrong for Aang to marry Katara even though she was a waterbender. Tenzin almost married Lin and while in the end he chose Pema, a non bender, there is nothing to indicate that his decision was based in any way in trying to maximize the number of Airbender kids he could possibly have. If he was thinking that way, he'd probably have WAAY more than four kids (In fact, he or Aang might have been tempted to break with Air tradition and adopt the Earth King's practice of having multiple wives.......)
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby SpiderTiki » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:08 pm

So    Varrick decides to pull a tobi on us, and go from loveable goofball to scheming evil asshole, Mako is yet again being a manwhore, sliding from Korra to Asami ( Even I didnt think he could be that much of a Dbag, cant wait for korra to find out and flip more tables) , andKorra lost her memory (this gimmick is so old I didn't even care)   

Honestly, This episode was so slow and bad I had to force myself to watch it, I think this may have officially killed the series for me

anyone who watched naruto could tell    Varrick was obviously not as harmless as he appeared. I mean, anyone who sticks around and monitors everything you are doing? Come on, obviously he has his own ends, I love how they blindly trust this guy who more or less has only been with them to meet his own ends.   

I dont really know if Im gonna bother watching this anymore.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Biostar » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:10 pm

On today's episode

I think they're trying to compensate for all the evil Fire Nation guys from TLA by filling Korra with nothing but evil Water Nation guys. To their credit I didn't suspect Varrick until Mako did. His eccentric personality fooled me. Not sure I like it or not though.

I wonder if the cause for Korra's amnesia is spiritual or physical.

Yay for the return of the love triangle. Asami just can't win.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Tenshi Nova » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:18 pm

Anyone who's seen Naruto...
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Grieffon » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:32 pm

Called it on Varrick.

I didn't think Bolin could get more useless, I was wrong. And yay, more love triangle. Let's just hope they don't pull it for a third time.

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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby SpiderTiki » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:34 pm

Tenshi Nova wrote:Anyone who's seen Naruto...
Anyone who's been outside would know.


I use naruto as reference strictly for tobi, which Varrick is the Korra equivelent of
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Princess » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:43 pm

Grieffon wrote:Called it on Varrick.

Same. I knew it from the moment he brought up selling Asami's company's war tanks.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Tenshi Nova » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:44 pm

I have yet to see it, so I'll take your word for it.
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby MQuinny1234 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:48 am

It could still pull a good come back.

I mean, it will only appear good because there have been...shitty aspects, but still.

As for    Varrick, I guess it should have been seen from the start. You know, considering how the spiritual aspect of this world and show is meant to be so huge, that the guy who is a huge businessman is an asshole. Same as the fire kingdom and their machinery.    All the cliches are...kinda annoying, nothing new is showing up. I was honestly expecting,    when I saw Korra had shown up on an isolated island, that that was going to be where some airbenders were or something, but welp.   
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Grieffon » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:06 pm

These two episodes may have a negative impact on how people view Korra. It's not good if the potentially most memorable episode in a season barely has the main character in it. Also, it's hard to create a battle more epic than that. There's one way I can think of, and it can tie with Unalaq's plan.

   Unalaq want to free the dark spirit Vaatu, and make himself a "dark Avatar", the same as what Vaara and Wan did. The final battle will be between two avatars.   
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Re: The Legend of Korra (Spoilers, nukka! Beware!)

Postby Grieffon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:52 am

Also, the last episode put many holes in the origin of bending previously established by TLA.

In TLA, humans learned bending from the moon, sky bisons, dragons, and badgermoles. However, it was shown the bending was given to them by lion turtles. Wan did learn proper firebending from studying the motion of dragons, but I don't see how that is applied to sky bisons. Also, how did those animal get the ability to bend, did the lion turtle just choose random species to give elemental powers to, and decide to give to every member of those species?

Also, the arrows of the Air nomads are supposed to resemble those on the sky bisons. In the flash back, their marks only look vaguely like arrows. Furthermore, there was not a single sky bison shown. I think the mark shown in "The beginning" exist first, and then they just incorporate the arrow to their mark. If that's the case, then the air nomad's culture by Aang's time may had already been very different from the original.
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