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Photoshop Lineart Help

Postby Hambone » Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:20 pm

Here is an example of what Im talking about. (And of course, Im going to use one of Bleedman's pieces of work and mine pieces of crap.)

Mine: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/11637249/

Bleedman: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/12758728/

What do you think is the difference?

Well let me tell you, as you can see my art is looking a bit crappy. Why? Alot of reasons. But one big reason that is getting on my nerves is my lines on the drawing. If you dont know what lines I am talking about, here is a example:

Mine: http://img121.exs.cx/img121/9018/85-Example1.jpg
In this picture is the same as the top picture but a close up on his hair.

Bleedman: http://img121.exs.cx/img121/3866/d0-Example2.jpg
In this picture is a piece of the hair of MiniMandy.

See the difference? I have been playing with P-Shop for days and I still cant figure this out. I need some serious help. And I know what are think Aresz. (Why is this kid still talking about this!) ^_^
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Postby Uke » Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:33 pm

^^ Well, your picture itself actually looks lovely. Although your line art is a bit fuzyy.. so i'd highy reccomend you completely redo it using paths. -Nodnod- But if you just wish to clean it up/adjust your greyscale levels, here's a page for you:

http://www.bakaneko.com/howto/computer/ ... index.html

Now as for path-inking, -Points down- there's a page that might help:

http://www.bakaneko.com/howto/computer/ ... index.html

I'd show you myself, but i'm not all that good at explaining things. ^^;

Best of luck with your drawing days. -Falls over-
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Re: Photoshop Lineart Help

Postby Naur » Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:58 pm

hmm.........do you ink yours and then scan it as a black and white drawing? It looks like you either do it in pencil, or scan as a b&w photo, which dampens the contrast.
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Re: Photoshop Lineart Help

Postby Jack Salem » Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:38 pm

For starters, you need to sac the notebookpaper. Using it...you wont be able to use the method too well (that I think that guy is talking about). Its good that you're evaluating your problem with an example from Bleedman. What it looks like you lack is consistency, anatomy, technique, and detail.

There are a lot of shapes that look like...they're trying to be something but arent a solid object. EX: The circles on his shoulders, the rectangles on his fists, they don't look like anything but colored in shapes :unsure: .. Try to define them a little more, like those circles I'm guessing are pins to hold up the cape? Try to make small clear areas indicating that it is indeed holding up the cape. Also, the right side of his cape just above the leg is....missing. What you could do is draw the entire cape regardless if it's behind something on not so you get a better picture of what the cape should look like altogether. As I've noticed, that seems to be what B-man does to define the shape of his heads that are under hair.

Well....I've gotta go, I'd go over the rest of it but I didn't have as much time as I thought so c ya.
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Postby Hambone » Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:16 pm

Uke wrote:^^ Well, your picture itself actually looks lovely. Although your line art is a bit fuzyy.. so i'd highy reccomend you completely redo it using paths. -Nodnod- But if you just wish to clean it up/adjust your greyscale levels, here's a page for you:

http://www.bakaneko.com/howto/computer/ ... index.html

Now as for path-inking, -Points down- there's a page that might help:

http://www.bakaneko.com/howto/computer/ ... index.html

I'd show you myself, but i'm not all that good at explaining things. ^^;

Best of luck with your drawing days. -Falls over-



Thanks, but are you sure there isnt anything easier? I mean the pen tool is "funky".
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Re: Photoshop Lineart Help

Postby Halfling Rogue » Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:21 pm

From what I can see from the grain on the picture, you're not saving your pictures in a high enough resolution. You're saving them as .jpgs, right? Then when you go to save, click on Options and see if you can find something talking about Compression. Then set it as low as it'll go. That should fix the problem.

Another thing that causes grain is resizing your picture using the binary method, or resizing too small. I use Jasc, so I can't help you with PS, but mine lets me go to a drop down called "Smart Size" on the options for my resize, and that's what works best.

Also, Bleedman inks on his comp, as far as I know. The best method for that is zooming in really big, tracing over the whole thing with the pen tool (either by mouse or tablet, either way it's not very easy), and then resizing it smaller.

Or you could just take the fast way and ink the ACTUAL picture with a pen. :D
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Re: Photoshop Lineart Help

Postby Hambone » Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:49 pm

Thats the thing, I dont know how to use the pen tool, :(
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Re: Photoshop Lineart Help

Postby Uke » Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:59 pm

Well if the pen tool isn't your cup of tea, you can try inking it by hand (Pencil tool or brush on a small px) on a totaly different layer. It might be a bit shaky though...

Or like previously mentioned, just ink the actual picture before scanning and increase the contrast. ^^
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Postby Mr. Mcgarrett » Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:16 pm

Hi,

If it's possible, try drawing on clear paper, notebook paper would only make things harder. I was about to suggest scanning it into PS, then moving the sliders abit in the >Image>Levels.
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Re: Photoshop Lineart Help

Postby Hambone » Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:29 pm

Uke wrote:Well if the pen tool isn't your cup of tea, you can try inking it by hand (Pencil tool or brush on a small px) on a totaly different layer. It might be a bit shaky though...

Or like previously mentioned, just ink the actual picture before scanning and increase the contrast. ^^



How do I increase the contrast?
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Postby Mr. Mcgarrett » Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:27 pm

>Image>Adjust>Contrast and Brightness
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Postby Hambone » Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:52 pm

Mr. Mcgarrett wrote:>Image>Adjust>Contrast and Brightness


Thank you.
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Postby Conan-san » Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:02 am

A lot of this junk can be done on the GIMP (it's recomended if you havent got the money or luck to have Photoshop)
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