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Postby EagleMan » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:21 pm

Eh, there are studies that show that even black people are suspicious of other black people. But it's not like the media regularly portrays white or asian people as being involved in gangs or otherwise being violent street criminals.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Q.U. » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:26 pm

EagleMan wrote:But it's not like the media regularly portrays white or asian people as being involved in gangs or otherwise being violent street criminals.

To be fair to them it is still true that black people contribute a disproportionally large amount to the crime statistics. So these stereotypes, as harmful as they may get, are still accepted and propagated. Might very well become a case of a vicious circle.



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Re: Americans...

Postby EagleMan » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:49 pm

Oh nice on the current news, 4 minutes ago. All true what you said too.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Blood Lord » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:58 pm

Tuor wrote:
Blood Lord wrote:I never saw it as a race thing...

Part of why people are saying that it is a race thing is that they contend that Zimmerman would not have been suspicious of a white kid, but because Trayvon was black he assumed he was up to no good.

Okay. I can see that.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Whatis6times9 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:08 pm

There is also a race thing over the idea that a black shooter or a white victim would have wound up with the shooter being charged much sooner and without a national outcry to do so.

Detroit is the route I'm afraid Philly is heading, white republican state with a large minority majority city that has been gerrymandered to limit it's influence in state and federal politics and the city is being killed by the state lowering funding to just essential things like policing and education.
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Re: Americans...

Postby EagleMan » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:14 pm

Has Philly lost its tax base? Detroit got pretty much abandoned by the automobile industry, and then all the rich people left too.

However from what I've seen in the past decade, declaring bankruptcy and dealing with the temporary, massive trauma is working out better for people than limping on forever with crushing debt. Iceland roared back after it defaulted. In part because when you're no longer loaded with crushing debts, you're suddenly a more enticing target to loan to. Argentina also did pretty well in an earlier economic crisis with declaring default on many obligations.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Whatis6times9 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:24 pm

Philly still has an alright tax base, but the way the state has cut funding and the state takeover has to left the school district in a clusterfuck. At this point the only employees left for next school year are the main principle, bare minimum of teachers, part time lunch employees and part time nurses. Counselors, certain specialized teachers, asst principals, teaching assts for special ed and early childhood have all been laid off. I'm afraid of what will happen if the education budget doesn't get fixed.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Birdofterror » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:38 pm

EagleMan wrote:It's called an analogy. Do you have a problem with the logical relevance of it? Are we having an emotional argument or a logical debate?
Eagle, I just got done being steamed and ended it with a simple diagram of killing kids = bad. I would continue on, but I don't feel like dragging a dead horse around. The case is over, the courts ruled "not guilty" and people who are angry will be angry and the people who are happy will be happy. In a perfect world, merely tolerating each other would be ideal so I'll call this a truce if you will.
Blood Lord wrote:I never saw it as a race thing...
It's a race thing whether we like it or not. Thick skulled racism that was before our times and will probably somehow still be here after we are dead. Pointless hatred that does nothing but breed more hatred. It's a race thing, and it's awful.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Q.U. » Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:30 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls

Not to put too much weight on this vid, but it does show you that some facts, are considered best when not reported. Other issues around this case notwithstanding, there were several rather important things that the media simply chose not to mention.
It's because of this stupid bias towards emotional sensation and breaking news that the media is geared towards that I find their journalism a failure. This is why I don't watch the news and research things by myself instead. I like sources that tell me what happened, not those that try to tell me how to feel about it. The whole race baiting disgusts me. And this should never have been a world famous case.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Mr. Sefrol » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:37 am

I kind of want to comment on the analogy Eagle made last page. Comparing them side by side Eagle the roles are reversed, and a provocative dress can't in my eyes compare to being stalked (in a sense) and then the person being stalked retaliating out of provocation for his race since prior evidence shows Zimmerman was involved in some police activity involving black culprits and adds to a motive to wanting to follow Martin for him being black. But I'm not saying it's an overall bad analogy. It's just not one that was going to get your point across for being a bit weak in comparison to each other as well as rape being a sensitive topic, making it even harder to get said point across. I can see what you were trying to say, but it wasn't going to provide anything but a negative response with who you were making it for.

But for the case itself, I'm pretty mixed. After looking up some details, the wounds left on Zimmerman seemed pretty bad and the supposed eye witness did state Martin was punching him while being on top of him. But I found that there was no statement of wounds aside from the bullet wound on Martin, or about what Martin was wearing exactly other than "thug wear". Funny enough, that analogy that Eagleman used was also used to support Martin for his attire and fits better here. As for my own opinion on it, I'd say he's an idiot and the self defense claim shouldn't be applied since he put himself in harms way, but seeing how aggressive the attack supposedly was I can see why it could be self defense killing the youth.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Biostar » Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:00 am

Apparently Trayvon told his girlfriend on the phone that he actually got all the way to the house he was walking to. Zimmerman had lost sight of him and the police told him to wait for them in an area in the neighborhood. Instead of dropping it, Trayvon confronted Zimmerman thus leading to the shooting. If he had just left it alone and went inside it wouldn't have escalated beyond a complaint. Though I can't help feel there should be some compensation from Zimmerman...
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Re: Americans...

Postby Birdofterror » Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:55 am

Biostar wrote:Though I can't help feel there should be some compensation from Zimmerman...
That would seem like a consolation prize for the loser.

Though... I just watched Q.U.'s video link and it re-inflamed my hatred for the media.

Mostly because it makes me look back on my own previous arguments and realize just how uninformed they were.

Not to mention the Martin Luther King part at the end kind of got to me. Relating someone who fought and died for human rights to either person in this case seems like defamation of character.

I kept an open mind about the verdict and it seems like it's paid off. I have enough information from all sides of the spectrum to make peace with the verdict. Maybe the system works. Maybe this isn't a sign that the system is broken-

Perhaps this proves that maybe it's stronger than ever?
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Re: Americans...

Postby The.Time.Lord » Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:38 am

A system run by humans, working in inhuman ways to achieve working order, isn't working; It isn't sustainable until every human in the system is either broken or a monster.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Q.U. » Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:51 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/google-pressure-c ... 00667.html

As you can see. The system works! Hallelujah!
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Re: Americans...

Postby Birdofterror » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:23 am

Do they expect me NOT to search this shit up in google now? Cause they are wrong if they think that.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Wulfespinndel » Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:22 pm

Q.U. wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/google-pressure-cookers-backpacks-visit-feds-140900667.html

As you can see. The system works! Hallelujah!

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Re: Americans...

Postby cartoonist » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:14 am

Does anyone else feel like the USA is headed downhill fast?

I think every American believes that people should have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, gun rights, protection against illegal searches and seizures, the right to trials, the right to vote, and protection against cruel and unusual punishment. Sadly, almost all of these rights have been outlawed in the past few years. The US government is restricting guns, spying on reporters, harassing protesters, banning protests, recording phone calls and emails without warrants, tracking postal mail, keeping "no fly" lists, blocking websites, has legalized indefinite detention without trials, and is killing and torturing Americans without trials. The signs that the USA is becoming a police state are so obvious, one would have to be blind not to see them.

These actions would have been unthinkable in 1999. Nixon was nearly impeached for bugging a hotel, but now every American is being wire-tapped. Where is the outrage? What used to be a conspiracy theory has now become a fact. Why even have a Bill of Rights anymore? Why obey the law if the government doesn’t? Why pay taxes to a government that imprisons us? How can the USA take the moral high ground and lecture countries like China or North Korea about human rights now?

The US government has become blatantly corrupt, dishonest, inept, and evil. Is everyone in the US government being blackmailed and bribed? This is like a nightmare. The president needs to be impeached and the entire congress should be voted out. Why
doesn’t anyone say anything? When will Americans start to care? Where do we draw the line? Are we just going to roll over and give up? What good will money do if we have no freedom? Millions of Americans should marching in Washington, DC everyday now. I am so disturbed by these actions to outlaw freedom that I feel like I have been slapped in the face. Nearly everything is illegal now and we are all considered to be terrorists. Obama and the media treats Americans like idiots, but everyone can see what is happening. If we don’t protest these draconian and Unconstitutional laws, Americans don’t deserve to be free.

I was taught that freedom and capitalism was good and now I see the USA becoming tyrannical and socialist. I just don’t understand. Nothing would surprise me anymore. I used to be the biggest American patriot, but now I am ashamed of my country. I am absolutely stunned, depressed, scared, and disgusted about the changes happening to the US. These terrorism laws don't even protect us. How can the government find a terrorist if it is following everyone? Would you surrender all of your freedom for a slight chance of being safer?

I saw the dangers of the real estate bubble in 2008, but didn't say anything. Now after doing some research, I see the rise of a totalitarian state and want to warn everyone. I am a normal, level-headed person and I wouldn’t be writing this is if I was not worried about the direction the US is headed. The massive US debt and the rise of a police state will not end well. One only needs to look at the history of Greece, Rome, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union history to see America’s future. The USA has attacked countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. We can bomb Syria, Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia, but for how long? Does the USA even have any allies left in the world anymore? I thought we were the good guys. Did all of those American soldiers who defended freedom in wars overseas fight in vain?


The US needs to immediately restore the Constitutional rights of Americans. No one knows the future, but I feel like we are headed toward WWIII or a revolution. Americans need to think, wake up, stand up, protest, donate to the ACLU, write to their representatives, contact the media, vote, and talk with their friends and family TODAY. We have even gotten to the stage where I would recommend Americans to buy guns, stock up on necessities, purchase gold, and prepare to flee to another country. I am afraid that if the stock market crashes again, there is another terrorist attack, or there is a war, the US border will slam shut, government travel permits will be required, books will be burned, curfews will be enacted, national photo ID cards will be required to be carried by citizens, elections will be canceled, guns will be banned, citizens will be forced to be implanted with microchips, slave concentration camps will be opened, private property will be confiscated, the government will seize the media, churches will be outlawed, and Americans will be executed. What will you do then?


Q.U. edit:
An example of redneck copypasta, designed to spread panic among the naive.
Links removed.
But I'll leave it here, just so that everyone can have a laugh.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Hallow Nova » Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:35 am

If people educated themselves, rather than blindly follow and believe things, fact check, all the facts, while accepting the reality that they don't know everything, along with the other opinions that can hold their own, the problem wouldn't seem as bad.

Seriously...that last paragraph...do you even understand how the American government works?
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Re: Americans...

Postby MERASMUS! » Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:19 am

Get a guy Fawkes mask, and whine somewhere else.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Krest » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:26 am

Speaking of education, you won't find it in your pitiful little academic institutions.

Start using the internet for your research. :3

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Re: Americans...

Postby Hallow Nova » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:53 am

Those academic institutions aren't the best, but for the average, it's a lot.

When you don't want others to insult your beliefs, you start by not insulting the beliefs of others.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Krest » Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:45 am

It depends on the institution, honestly.

American institutions generally are "novice" level rather than intermediate. However, there are many institutions in the world that provide "intermediate" level education.

I just still think the internet is superior, that's all.


As for the insult, I was referring more to the fact that you can "pass" institutions without really learning anything. And also how most material is biased. Institutions, in their nature, aren't bad - but biased ones with little to no requirement for graduation, on the other hand...
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Re: Americans...

Postby Hallow Nova » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:03 pm

A tool is useless if one doesn't know how to use it.
I prefer self study, that's the reason I'm ahead in all my classes. In my classes, 80% of kids don't know how to go online and learn on their own.

I do agree that many grades may be given off biased information, but attempting to teach all sides of a dice would take a ling time, and many universities offer classes that do that regardless.

It doesn't matter what your insult was. Don't ask others to not insult your beliefs while insulting their beliefs. Do you understand what his post was referring to?
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Re: Americans...

Postby Krest » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:34 pm

He was talking about wearing a Fawkes mask and "whining somewhere else".

The Fawkes mask is the symbol of Anonymous's protester-level members.

He was equating Anon protesters with crybabies and, at the same time, claiming our opinions as useless and that we should take them elsewhere.



So yes, yes I do.


Unless you're talking about people commenting on institutions, in which case NO ONE in this thread had done so yet.
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Re: Americans...

Postby Hallow Nova » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:58 pm

That's step one. Now go further.
Look back at cartoonist's post.
Do you believe he's well informed?
That he has a complete grasp on what he's talking about?
That he's not a whiny kid?

Also, TheDoc didn't imply that your opinions are useless. Doc implied that he's not getting anywhere if he bitches about here.
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