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Postby Whatis6times9 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:48 pm

It's not even the lack of fighting, it's just all the clutchy grabby bullshit like it's still the 90s.
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Postby Tuor » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:57 pm

No I mean like even if a guy confronts them then they do nothing, but they play that stupid clutchy grabby stickwork nonsense
"Suddenly Frodo noticed that a strange-looking weather-beaten man, sitting in the shadows near the wall, was also listening intently to the hobbit-talk. He had a tall tankard in front of him, and was smoking a long-stemmed pipe curiously carved. His legs were stretched out before him, showing high boots of supple leather that fitted him well, but had seen much wear and were now caked with mud. A travel-stained cloak of heavy dark-green cloth was drawn close about him, and in spite of the heat of the room he wore a hood that overshadowed his face; but the gleam of his eyes could be seen as he watched the hobbits."
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Postby Whatis6times9 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:53 pm

At this point fighting isn't that important for them and I can't argue with it when you figure how successful they are year in year out. But the clutchy grabby and the uncalled Kronwall krosschecks piss me off.
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Postby Tuor » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:08 pm

*shrug*
"Suddenly Frodo noticed that a strange-looking weather-beaten man, sitting in the shadows near the wall, was also listening intently to the hobbit-talk. He had a tall tankard in front of him, and was smoking a long-stemmed pipe curiously carved. His legs were stretched out before him, showing high boots of supple leather that fitted him well, but had seen much wear and were now caked with mud. A travel-stained cloak of heavy dark-green cloth was drawn close about him, and in spite of the heat of the room he wore a hood that overshadowed his face; but the gleam of his eyes could be seen as he watched the hobbits."
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Postby Mr. Sefrol » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:06 am

To add on from last page... To be honest... I'm not a good tipper. If you're cheerful and show a good work ethic, or at least very well in one if the other is lacking, then I'll tip fine. But anything less and... yeah.

Why did the tip system sort of feel mandatory exactly in restaurants, but not retail? I've been offered plenty of tips for my friendly and honest service multitudes of time, but my job won't allow me to take any. If I was allowed, I could possibly be earning 1/3rd more than I do a week. But noooooooooooo, we're retail and our back breaking service compared to the competition is supposed to be expected of us and any drop of work ethic we actually have is ringed out of us since they don't have to pay any more for it. Heck, even the Starbucks people have a jar that's for donations, but people think it's a tip jar so it's constantly being filled. When I earn the respect and gratitude of the customer so they'll come back, I wouldn't mind being given something extra just like I'd expect a reprimanding if I fuck up.
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Postby EagleMan » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:09 am

So become a server or be in some job that has tips?
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Postby Whatis6times9 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:10 am

It's because you're a minimum wage employee and it can create tax headaches for employees as well as the business if tipping was added in.
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Postby Tuor » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:10 am

...sounds like you tip for the reasons you're supposed to, although you never said what percentage you tip.
Retail people have commission, sometimes.
"Suddenly Frodo noticed that a strange-looking weather-beaten man, sitting in the shadows near the wall, was also listening intently to the hobbit-talk. He had a tall tankard in front of him, and was smoking a long-stemmed pipe curiously carved. His legs were stretched out before him, showing high boots of supple leather that fitted him well, but had seen much wear and were now caked with mud. A travel-stained cloak of heavy dark-green cloth was drawn close about him, and in spite of the heat of the room he wore a hood that overshadowed his face; but the gleam of his eyes could be seen as he watched the hobbits."
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Postby Mr. Sefrol » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:54 am

I'm not part of that "sometimes". And I'm actually a dollar over minimum wage now... But that's not really saying a lot in this economy. And talk of minimum wage being raised to 10 is getting me hyped, yet also bummed. It's an excuse for the company to gyp me of 2 years of effort to be paid the same as someone who's been working a week.
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Postby EagleMan » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:04 am

It's really the wrong way to think about it. Here you are, complaining about the money you get, all the hard work you put in, the nonexistent recognition you get, and you're going to be annoyed that people making minimum wage, working just as hard as you do for as little respect, might be getting a raise the same as you? You're frustrated you'll be on the same level as them? Sure it sucks, but would you want the same thing if you were just starting out? People thought exactly the same as you when the minimum wage became $8/hr. How dare this kid get a job, I want to be paid more than this kid, I'm going to direct my frustration at him instead of the CEO making millions with guaranteed massive payouts even if he runs the company into the ground. It is your company's fault that they give out raises so slowly they an employee can't even outpace raises in the minimum wage.

Rich people don't keep poor people down, they convince poor people to do it to themselves.

By the way, you saying you're a dollar over min. wage and that it might be raised to $10 makes me assume you're Californian (I feel like you are but I can't recall for sure). Just to let you know, the minimum wage increase is happening, it's already been signed into law. It'll be raised to $9 an hour on July 1, 2014, then to $10 an hour on January 1, 2016.

So nothing to hate your fellow workers for. Unless you're a die hard Republican, keep in mind it's Democrats and liberals that want increases in the minimum wage. Don't be mad at the new kid because you're the one who only got a dollar raise over 2 years, be mad at the business who pays so little that the government has to force them to pay better.

The minimum wage in 1968 would be $10.56 today, and you're being paid $8, in one of the states with the highest minimum wage, and their increases that won't come for 3 years will still fall behind that amount, and some of the people in charge of the businesses you work in now got to work those jobs and then they're turning around and lobbying against you having that very same thing.
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Postby Whatis6times9 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:54 am

The rich and the politicians in their pocket have always done a good job of convincing the masses to go against their best interests and convince them that it was their own idea.
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Postby Mr. Sefrol » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:05 am

It's not really something I'm taking out on my fellow employee, it's just the fact that despite my years of time and effort are going to be practically meaningless because my employers aren't going to compensate for the minimum wage raise. What's the point of it? Heck, the place across the street has a minimum wage of 10 off the bat for what I did at the beginning, but I refused to try out there since I'd already put in more than a year here before finding out. It's already looking more promising since I'm suffering twice the stress with my "promotion" to doing more mundane and infuriating work at the same wage with half the reason this job is bearable leaving in a week, my new boss, who is then being replaced with someone who makes working there a chore with all her constant belittling mannerisms and false regulations she throws around, despite us being hired at about the same time, her getting the position due to a technicality of working there a couple months more than someone more decent.

There's just a lot of bull.

The minimum wage is $8.75 here in California to my knowledge, and prior to your post I was told it was going straight to $10. How in the world does a quarter change all that much for a minimum wage worker who's most likely working part time? The most it'll do is give the average part timer an extra 4-6 dollars a week per job. Back in the day about 30-something or so years ago when it was still viable to live well off a minimum wage salary they'd get triple time on holidays and double time on Sundays that I've been told from our senior employees who still get it. But people now... Heh, we get $1 extra an hour on holidays and the same for Sundays. Granted, extra pay on Sundays wasn't expected when I first started, but comparing it to then is laughable.

Also, EM, could you go into more detail about this "Rich people don't keep poor people down, they convince poor people to do it to themselves" line? I'm a bit curious and want to know a little more.
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Postby Whatis6times9 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:18 am

They indoctrinate people to believe that they are one break away from being rich and to vote/lobby against laws that would "penalize" the rich.
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Postby EagleMan » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:32 am

Minimum wage in California is $8, you must live in a city that raised the minimum wage to $8.75 or you just have the wrong idea of what it is. I know that San Jose and San Francisco have minimums over $10.

I shouldn't have generalized so much about rich people, it was unfair. I'm kind of well off to an extent myself due to my parents, but there is a sort of American mythos where everyone dreams they will one day be rich - the American Dream. So a lot of people decide policy in that light. The poor person doesn't want higher taxes for the rich, because he doesn't want to pay those taxes when he's one day rich. They don't want capital gains taxes because they might one day have a stock portfolio "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." Now there definitely are some rich people that convince poor people to hate each other.

What's your opinion on unions? Over the past few decades, public opinion on unions has generally turned sour. They hate their benefits, their higher pay, their better working conditions. But why hate them for that? You should be hating your business that refuses to do the same, not the people lucky enough to have a job where they're paid and treated well. Don't hate the kid lucky enough to turn 16 and get a job as the minimum wage hike rolled around, hate the bosses that work you like a slave for no respect for no pay. Hate the politicians that say you're lazy and entitled for wanting a comfortable life while you work your body to the bones. They say go to school. So you go to school, still working part or full time, for the schools that cost exponentially more and more for less quality (based on both fact and personal experience as I've seen in California) just so you can end up maybe not having a career in your field anyways and having to move back into your parent's house and being told "What, you aren't good enough to flip burgers?", realizing you're back at square one with not much to show for it besides a lot of debt and society will never respect you based on how hard you've worked, because you now realize that when they said "work ethic" they meant "paycheck". A lot of rich people fail to consider how both luck and society contributed to their success. Most rich people really did work very hard for what they have, but all success in life is both a matter of hard work and opportunity - and too many rich people are trying to gut the "opportunity" part for the next generation, pretending that hard work is all that matters. So what if you could pay tuition by working summer at a minimum wage job a few decades ago? Just work a full time job while you go to school to pay the bills! Say, why aren't you finding a nice girl? When are you gonna pop out a few kids? You know at your age I already had you and your sister, a career and a house, what's wrong with you?
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Postby Creppy Eggy » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:45 am

I HAVE COME BACK FROM MY 30 SECONDS TO MARS CONCERT AND BOY WAS IT AN AWESOMELY AMAZING EXPERIENCE!!!
There were 2 bands that headlined the main one: New Politics and Panic! At The Disco.
New Politics was great (even if it was only 4 songs). They were energetic, and great at interacting with the audience.
Panic! At The Disco was good, most of their songs I didn't know (except two, which were "Nine in the Afternoon" and "I Write Sins Not Tragedies (pretty much their best songs, I guess)) and that was that.
And then... the main event... 30 Seconds to Mars.
Holy fucking crap... I had so much fun. Singing to songs, being told what to do by Jared Leto, and... wow. Just wow. I wish there will be a video of the concert to share my experience. One of the best times I had in a long time.
And as for souvenir? Well I bought their new album, waited for a bout an hour, and had the band sign it for me. Would've loved to bought a shirt but they sold out on the shirt I liked. Will try to find it though across the Internet.
Summery of all this: I HAD A FUCKING GREAT TIME AT THE CONCERT.
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Postby Whatis6times9 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:47 am

There's also the problems of how rigidly stratified the country has become that the upper classes truly don't have a grasp of what being poor is actually like. It leads to a society that believes that the majority of people who receive wellfare are moochers who don't want to work. It also creates a lack of introspection to realize how lucky they were born, they fail to see every advantage they had being born into a well to do family so they have a mentality that they hit a triple instead of being born on 3rd base.
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Postby Tuor » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:56 am

Sounds like an awesome time, Randori. I love going to concerts.
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Postby EagleMan » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:03 am

Cool to hear Randori. I'm sure videos will pop up online if you look for it, it's definitely better to try to experience the concert rather than trying to spend the whole time recording it. When I see crowds all holding their cell phones up, I'm just dumbfounded. Most people rarely ever look at their recordings anyways, and what's the point of taking one if it hampers the experience itself?
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Postby Tuor » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:04 am

Ya, I think it's weird as well
"Suddenly Frodo noticed that a strange-looking weather-beaten man, sitting in the shadows near the wall, was also listening intently to the hobbit-talk. He had a tall tankard in front of him, and was smoking a long-stemmed pipe curiously carved. His legs were stretched out before him, showing high boots of supple leather that fitted him well, but had seen much wear and were now caked with mud. A travel-stained cloak of heavy dark-green cloth was drawn close about him, and in spite of the heat of the room he wore a hood that overshadowed his face; but the gleam of his eyes could be seen as he watched the hobbits."
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Postby Whatis6times9 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:06 am

Most of the time your phone will just be seeing the phones in front of it.
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Postby Creppy Eggy » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:10 am

I did it for the Doris concert but just little snippets of cool songs they did, so I rarely recorded it. But yes, it was awesome.
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Postby Hiroko » Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:38 am

EagleMan wrote:When I see crowds all holding their cell phones up, I'm just dumbfounded. Most people rarely ever look at their recordings anyways, and what's the point of taking one if it hampers the experience itself?


I've always thought that they weren't holding their cellphones to record anything, but rather to use as substitutes for lighters or glowsticks. Given that I've seen videos of people holding up their cellphones with apps for virtual lighters on their screens, I think that's at least half-true.
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Postby Creppy Eggy » Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:51 am

Yeah, we did that too at the concert. When we did it the whole crowd lit up from all the cellphone lights. Was pretty cool.
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Postby Asinerta » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:54 pm

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Postby Creppy Eggy » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:48 pm

How old is your new computer compared to your old one?
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