And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

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Postby Whatis6times9 » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:32 pm

I'd support fixing legitimate genetic disorders that actually affect quality of life and that can be fatal.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Fummoffu » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:33 pm

He's a bigot and there are many more like him, but he isn't the smartest by a long shot.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Hiryu » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:34 pm

I'm sorry, Cal. What happens, happens. I do wish something could be done about 'em.

I keep quiet most of the time because in all honesty, I cannot argue to save my life because I know nothing about anything. I cannot join you people in several topics that happen to come about around here.
But he irked me, man. He succeeded in rustling some jimmies. So I gathered my thoughts and spoke them.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Yog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:35 pm

@whatis

But then there's ethical issues.

Take Down Syndrome for example.

I wish it on no one, but seeing people with the Down Syndrome, you cannot deny that there is something to be envied in that lifelong happiness.

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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Kkeellaacc » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:40 pm

Thankfully there are researchers working on isolating the nasty genes and attempting to eradicate them
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Yog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:43 pm

There's also a bit of an issue with that also.

Perhaps it'd be best to leave some diseases and such alone.

I mean, we have to think. If we eradicate all diseases, what's going to keep human population in check?
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Fummoffu » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:44 pm

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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Whatis6times9 » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:46 pm

But I think parents should at least be afforded the option to correct disorders, especially because while Down Syndrome isn't fatal most other trisomy disorders are.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Yog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:47 pm

True.

I just hope it doesn't have long lasting repercussions.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Grey » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:57 pm

Hiryu wrote:There IS no right or wrong, it's pretty much "what happens, happens". Genetic disorders ain't pretty, but there's not much that can be done about it.
just because you can't do anything about it doesn't mean it's not wrong

what if some kid was born with two heads and as a result died from medical complications?

that's wrong, isn't it? the majority of your post was great, it's just that line we have trouble with.
Yog wrote:Blaming it on a gene or whatever is retarded, as well.
like this one line of yog's otherwise perfectly good post
it probably is down to a gene or a few bits of our DNA that decides whether we're gay or not

unless they discover it is environmental

there's nothing wrong with attributing the features we have to our genes. our genes make up nearly everything about us. respect them and recognise their impact.
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Postby Whatis6times9 » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:03 pm

I'm willing to bet it's partly genetic, but the larger part is probably hormonal especially hormones in the womb.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Grey » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:29 pm

Yog wrote:There's also a bit of an issue with that also.

Perhaps it'd be best to leave some diseases and such alone.

I mean, we have to think. If we eradicate all diseases, what's going to keep human population in check?
i gotta raise issue with this too

should we forget about curing cancer because, shit, we gotta have something to keep the population in check!

what do you think sex is for?

self preservation.

the ultimate form of self preservation is immortality. within the next few hundred years, i am pretty sure a human being will be born that will not degenerate with age or disease and whose only option of fatality is willing cooperation or an awful accident or assault. hopefully sustainability issues will have been sorted out by then, but if not people will just have to deal until they are.
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Postby Yog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:37 pm

Oh, I completely agree.

You are right in many ways.

I just hope that humanity isn't FUCKED by overpopulation.
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Postby Grey » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:47 pm

probably will be for a bit, before we figure out sustainability
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Yog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:46 pm

Yeah, but at one point, think about actual space.

Overcrowding, man.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby NeoWarrior7 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:25 am

Yeah, we're all gonna be awesome robots, and they'll just be genderless and have kinky robot sex. So problem, null.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby EagleMan » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:40 am

Humanity's population is on track to cap out mid-decade. When you get people in a modern, Western society, birthrates tend to flatten out, and some countries are actually having fertility rates drop below replacement values (a value of 2.1 is 2 kids for 2 parents, and the extra .1 is to account for people who don't reproduce). Europe is actually having it pretty badly, though immigrants are keeping birthrates up some, once they're integrated into society you can expect a similar drop. The reason the U.S. has stayed higher than average is because of the large Hispanic population, but we too are starting to see a decline as Hispanics more fully integrate into society and shed the culture of reproducing like rabbits.

The fact is in the long-term the greater worry is that we're going to simply die out. In a modern economy it is actually highly inconvenient to have children. In agricultural times it was a benefit to have children as they could contribute to the household income. Now children are basically an extra chore - there are perks, but they are basically an economic drain for at minimum 18 years, and often more than that now as people have to become increasingly educated just to stay competitive in a globalized economy.

Overpopulation is only a threat in underdeveloped places like Africa and Asia. As these places modernize their birthrates will decline. Modern economies punishes those who have children, so the net effect is that we have less children. Reproductive technology can only do so much. There are too many women who are trying to have kids in their 40s for whom it's just too late. Most people don't realize just how much age matters in terms of reproductive capacity for women. If you want both a career and a child as a woman, you're either going to have to take a delay in your career or risk not being able to conceive at all.

TL;DR overpopulation is a short-term concern in terms of the humanitarian crises, but long-term the real concern is that the population actually dwindles out. It's already becoming a problem in places like Japan.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Eggnog » Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:09 am

Shit... it's April Fool's Day.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby EagleMan » Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:19 am

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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Mr. Sefrol » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:16 am

For a second I thought he actually did. But then I noticed that Snafu messed with the time it tells me everyone posted, pushing everything back an hour.

Snafu, you rascal.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Mr. Sefrol » Mon Apr 01, 2013 4:21 am

Also, last few pages:

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But then I saw Eagleman post and went "this is a long post. I must read it."
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Grey » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:14 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGeMGqVKD6A

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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Eggnog » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:04 pm

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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Hiryu » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:54 pm

I can't believe I waited so long to get Arkham City, so happy that discount came along days ago.
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Re: And the good lord sayeth: Come forth The Talk Thread XVIII!

Postby Yog » Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:02 pm

Lol.

I have a laundry list of awesome games to get, and Arkham City used to be on it.
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