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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Yog » Thu Aug 30, 2012 1:59 pm

HAHAHAHAHA

That was hilarious.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby NeoWarrior7 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:20 pm

New Vegas is better because it returns more to the roots of the originals.
Thus the saying 3 is a better game, but New Vegas is a better Fallout game.

Also, come on, the story was WAY better. Maybe I just prefer the western themes and music, and Vegas, but I mean, it was great. The intro is nicer.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Asmodai » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:26 pm

Oh god no, the intro couldn't even compare to Fallout 3... what game has you walk through your childhood as a tutorial? I thought it was brilliant
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Yog » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:27 pm

Actually, as long as it follows the traditions set by the earlier fallouts, I don't much care for the returning to it's roots thing.

Obsidian did write a good story, though.

But I still stand firm in Fallout 3 being easier to rollplay in.

The getting born part really helps that argument.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Wizard » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:34 pm

Personally, I feel that FO3 did the whole post-apocalyptic thing pretty goddamn well. There was something more real about its depiction of a Wasteland: raiders were everywhere, slavers ran their operation unopposed, safe havens were few and far between...it felt more "every man for himself". I felt more like Mad Max.

This is, of course, ignoring the entire main storyline, the tepid gameplay, the comparatively small pool of weapons, the poorly-designed and all-too-forgiving leveling-up mechanics...to name a fair bit of the big problems it had. New Vegas didn't just improve on Fallout 3's formula; it added a ridiculous amount of content to the game, well above and beyond what was included in FO3.

Mothership Zeta canon and the main storyline's ending deserve their own level of shame.

That's not to say that FO3 was a bad game. I loved FO3. I'll never forget the first time I wandered into that supermarket, for instance. But it's not a Fallout game. New Vegas is.

NV is simply better, and for that, I love it more.

A lot better.

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Asmodai: Wow, did you actually just type that New Vegas' story wasn't as compelling as 3's? When I say "compelling", I mean "you want to do this"; I do not mean "you have to do this". The former influences roleplay; the latter restricts it. New Vegas is compelling in the good sense. Fallout 3 is compelling in the bad sense.

"Hey kid, your dad left for no good reason without telling you so that you could stay here but because he left you can't stay here and he should have known that so go find him."

And I'm supposed to go find this person just because he's my dad? Fuck him; he's a stupid dick.

"These people shot you. They took something valuable from you. Now what?"

Yog: Holy shit, Fallout 3's story is better because it shows my birth? I guess Fallout 3 must be better than Oblivion, too; they started you off in some dumb jail cell. LAME-O.

And to say that Fallout 3's "You're born in the Vault. You die in the Vault. Now you're a Vault dweller with a father." gives you BETTER roleplaying options than "You're a Wastelander. Do whatever you want." is absolutely goddamn absurd. Nor was Fallout 3 lax at all. Want to get Power Armor? GO FIND YOUR DAD.

You don't have to go find who tried to kill you, either. At all. You're not even particularly or strongly compelled to go do so. You don't even have to get the Chip in order to finish the game.

EM: If you're only playing Fallout: New Vegas on one character, you're doing it wrong. Indeed, it's a GOOD thing that you're restricted by your factional choices because it means those choices MATTER.

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What the fuck world do you hacks live in where Fallout 3 is a better game than New Vegas? Holy shit, even ignoring ANY story/roleplay arguments, 3's gameplay is fucking ass compared to New Vegas. It's gotten to the point where I can't even play Fallout 3 anymore because the gameplay is so atrocious.

ADDENDUM: It's good to see some fellow ROBBAZ HERE KING OF SWEDEN fans.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby NeoWarrior7 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:40 pm

I'mma agree with what Wizard said, since I'm bad at explaining my points.

Also, I liked Benny more than "dad". Wish he'd stop back stabbing me so we could team up, damn it.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Mathias » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:47 pm

Mothership Zeta is awesome, so your argument is moot.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Wizard » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:50 pm

WAR NEVER CHANGES EXCEPT FOR THE ALIENS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

No, Mathias. Canon-breaking DLCs with boring fetch-it quests in identical hallways for two hours is not awesome. It was trash.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Fievel » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:50 pm

Asmodai wrote:Fallout 3 - I'm a big girl now

I laughed so loud

Hahaha. That was awesome.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Yog » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:51 pm

Well.

You have several good points, as I agree with fucking Mothership Zeta, I hated after I realized that it was reduced to an empty ship.

BUT.

Fallout New Vegas comes after.

Of course it improves on a lot of things.

I feel that the argument I'm about to bring up is exactly the same as the one that can be made for SIlent Hill 2 vs the western developed games.

Fallout 3 has ATMOSPHERE. It immerses you, makes you feel like a guy wandering a torn, destroyed world. The emotions it evokes are powerful. When I got out of the vault, I was stunned for a few moments.

Many of the people who I talked to I wanted to listen to. The backstories were nice, and it all gave me a sense of a truly desolate world still trying to rebuild itself.

Sure, it's gameplay was crap compared to New Vegas. But they are essentially the same system, despite Fallout New Vegas being more fine tuned.

Fallout 3, for me evokes the very first fallout game, even more so than New Vegas. Besides the obvious fact that both protagonists are Vault Dwellers, both games had me visit a world that was in shambles, not one that was striving.

New Vegas is a good game. I agree, that it's closer to Fallout 2 and Wasteland.

But my vision of the Fallout world is a bleak, shattered one. The one that was left behind in Fallout 2, for a civilization that was partially rebuilt.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby EagleMan » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:55 pm

I think you misinterpreted me because NV is my favorite game, it's just the story line restricts it so that the publishers could not allow you to play beyond the finish of the game. If you won with the Legion, now what do you do with all the NCR/New Vegas content? Just replacing all the guards and Securitrons with Legion men wouldn't make any sense, and certainly most quests wouldn't make sense at that point, so the game is in a way restricted by the story line. Otherwise NV is a pretty superior game.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Wizard » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:59 pm

Atmosphere, yeah.

Backstories? Better than New Vegas?

No way.

Fallout 3? Similar to Fallout?

Get out of this fucking world.

In Fallout, people are terrified of radiation. In Fallout 3, they build a fucking town around an active bomb. Just because 3 is more desolate doesn't mean it has more in common with Fallout. Not by the longest shot in the world.

Oh, and the gameplay was improved far beyond what you would call "fine-tuning". So yeah. No.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Yog » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:01 pm

Ok, then.

Wizard, just don't try and make me like NV better than 3.

It won't work.

But you have made your points, several of which I agree with.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Mathias » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:03 pm

Wizard wrote:WAR NEVER CHANGES EXCEPT FOR THE ALIENS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

No, Mathias. Canon-breaking DLCs with boring fetch-it quests in identical hallways for two hours is not awesome. It was trash.

I believe aliens have always been canon in the series.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Yog » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:08 pm

There was a crashed UFO in the first Fallout.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Senel » Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:07 pm

I liked ZETA simply because it gave me more ammo for the blaster. lol

I honestly disliked Point Lookout the most. Just something about sucked the fun away.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Mathias » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:46 pm

I think Point Lookout is a pretty good add-on. A large enough area with lots to do, offers more than the others, I think.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Yog » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:48 pm

I fucking hate those hillbillies with their sniper shotguns.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby GridsNaranek » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:53 pm

NV brought the best and the worst.

Old World Blues was the greatest romp I've ever had with Fallout. Meantime, Dead Money had me wanting to punch the screen.

And I agree that the intro's way better.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Mathias » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:53 pm

The smugglers posed more of a problem for me, especially that one sniper on that island. Also, I like finding treasure under all the buoys and around all the wrecks. The only thing that sucked was that I couldn't get the bulb for the lighthouse because it was suspended in midair.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Yog » Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:58 pm

Mathias wrote:The smugglers posed more of a problem for me, especially that one sniper on that island. Also, I like finding treasure under all the buoys and around all the wrecks. The only thing that sucked was that I couldn't get the bulb for the lighthouse because it was suspended in midair.

Replacing the bulb felt weird.

Also, I went crazy with the swamp grenades.

I threw them all in the lighthouse, and when I came back to find smugglers, I lit it.

It was awesome, watching the fire follow the staircase, roasting everyone.

Until my framerate turtled.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Mathias » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:06 pm

I haven't used those. The floor of my Megaton home has a pile of unique powerful weapons. They are not in my lockers because I read that things could disappear from them.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Yog » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:07 pm

My favorite trophy is my Experimental MIRV.

I turned on god mode and destroyed Megaton with it.
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Mathias » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:08 pm

There's a god mode?
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Re: Fallout 4

Postby Yog » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:10 pm

It's on the PC.

Console command.
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