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Postby Frosty The Tiki » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:34 pm

Feel free to discuss all views and opinions of Ferguson/Police/Race based issues regarding the justice system here to avoid clogging up the talk thread
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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Tuor » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:05 pm

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"Suddenly Frodo noticed that a strange-looking weather-beaten man, sitting in the shadows near the wall, was also listening intently to the hobbit-talk. He had a tall tankard in front of him, and was smoking a long-stemmed pipe curiously carved. His legs were stretched out before him, showing high boots of supple leather that fitted him well, but had seen much wear and were now caked with mud. A travel-stained cloak of heavy dark-green cloth was drawn close about him, and in spite of the heat of the room he wore a hood that overshadowed his face; but the gleam of his eyes could be seen as he watched the hobbits."
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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Tuor » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:08 pm

"Suddenly Frodo noticed that a strange-looking weather-beaten man, sitting in the shadows near the wall, was also listening intently to the hobbit-talk. He had a tall tankard in front of him, and was smoking a long-stemmed pipe curiously carved. His legs were stretched out before him, showing high boots of supple leather that fitted him well, but had seen much wear and were now caked with mud. A travel-stained cloak of heavy dark-green cloth was drawn close about him, and in spite of the heat of the room he wore a hood that overshadowed his face; but the gleam of his eyes could be seen as he watched the hobbits."
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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Tuor » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:21 pm

"Suddenly Frodo noticed that a strange-looking weather-beaten man, sitting in the shadows near the wall, was also listening intently to the hobbit-talk. He had a tall tankard in front of him, and was smoking a long-stemmed pipe curiously carved. His legs were stretched out before him, showing high boots of supple leather that fitted him well, but had seen much wear and were now caked with mud. A travel-stained cloak of heavy dark-green cloth was drawn close about him, and in spite of the heat of the room he wore a hood that overshadowed his face; but the gleam of his eyes could be seen as he watched the hobbits."
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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Glacial Expanse » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:55 pm

You guys should at least make some kind of objective summary of what's going on with Ferguson. It would be nice to explain to others what's going on.
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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Princess » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:41 pm

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Tuor » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:28 am


4:51 is particularly interesting.

The host, Chris Hayes asks "Have you been talking to law enforcement?"
The Imperial Wizard of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Klu Klux Klan, Frank Ancona responds "I have."
Hayes asks "What have those conversations been like?"
Ancona replies "Well depending on who you talk to, and of course all these things are off the record, but uh a lot of them are very frustrated with how the governor has basically sided with the criminals in a lot of instances."
They kind of talk over eachother for a few seconds but Hayes ultimately asks for clarification "Hold on, Frank, you have law enforcement confiding in you, off the record, as a Grand Wizard of the KKK, you're telling me you have law enforcement talking to you personally off the record?"
Ancona recants " No, no, I'm telling you I have…friends who know people in law enforcement, I'll just put it to you that way"
"Suddenly Frodo noticed that a strange-looking weather-beaten man, sitting in the shadows near the wall, was also listening intently to the hobbit-talk. He had a tall tankard in front of him, and was smoking a long-stemmed pipe curiously carved. His legs were stretched out before him, showing high boots of supple leather that fitted him well, but had seen much wear and were now caked with mud. A travel-stained cloak of heavy dark-green cloth was drawn close about him, and in spite of the heat of the room he wore a hood that overshadowed his face; but the gleam of his eyes could be seen as he watched the hobbits."
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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Fummoffu » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:38 am

Totally not a race issue.

Seriously though their involvement and affiliation with law enforcement instantly throws out police credibility.
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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Princess » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:00 pm

Imperial Wizard be havin' dem crazy eyes.
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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Princess » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:09 pm

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Princess » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:16 pm

First Era (1866-1877) Klan rank and titles

Grand Wizard - national head of the Invisible Empire
Grand Dragon - ruler over a state known as a "Realm."
Grand Titan - ruler of a "Dominion" within a state or Congressional District.
Grand Giant - head of a province or a county.
Grand Cyclops - president or presiding officer of a meeting or "Den."
Grand Magi - second officer in authority of the Den.
Grand Monk - third officer in authority of the Den.
Grand Turk - the marshal, executive officer to the Grand Cyclops, and master of ceremonies of the Den.
Grand Sentinel - incharge of the Grand Guards
Grand Guards also Lictors - guards, usually two, for the Den.
Assorted titles for staff officers were: Genii, Hydra, Furie, Goblin, Night-hawk, Grand Magi, Grand Monk, Grand Scribe, Grand Exchequer, Grand Turk, and Grand Sentinel. Individual members were called Ghouls.
Genii - assistants to the Grand Wizard, usually ten.
Grand Scribe - the correspondence secretaries for the Grand Wizard, Grand Dragons, Grand Titans, Grand Giants, and Grand Cyclops.
Grand Exchequer - the treasurers for the Grand Wizard, Grand Dragons, Grand Titans, Grand Giants, and Grand Cyclops.
Hydras - assistants to the Grand Dragon, usually eight.
Furies - assistants to the Grand Titan, usually six.
Goblins - assistants to the Grand Giant, usually four.
Night-hawks - assistants to the Grand Cyclops, usually two.

Second Era (1915-1944) Klan rank and titles

Imperial Wizard - national head of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan often referred to in documents as president.
Imperial Klonsel - Supreme attorney
Imperial Kleagle - executive, recieves reports from the Grand Goblins.
Grand Goblin - ruler over a "Dominion" which is now defined as a multi-state area.
King Kleagle - manager of state known as a "Realm."
Kleagle - field organizer over a certain territory or part of a "Realm."
Local "Dens" were replaced by "Klaverns" and had their own ranks and titles. The Ku Klux ritual was called the "Kloran." The investigative committee was called the "Klokann." National conventions were called "Klonvokations." A delegate to a Klonvokation was a Klepeer. The national council was called the "Imperial Kloncilium."
Exalted Cyclops - president of the Klavern
Terrors - officers of the Exalted Cyclops which consists of:
Klaliff - vice president of the Klavern
Klokard - lecturer
Kludd - the Chaplain
Kligrapp - secretary
Klabee - treasurer
Kladd - the conductor of ceremonies
Klarogo - inner guard
Klexter - outer guard
Klokan - Head of the three-man Klokann Board which investigates prospective members.
Night-Hawk - Custodian of the fiery cross and person incharge of new candidates or "aliens"
Similar titles existed at the national, state, and local levels with "Imperial", "Grand", and "Great" prefaced respectively.



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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Eggnog » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:21 pm

Those names... what is this, Dungeons and Dragons?
Nope, nevermind. Can't compare that game to such bullshit.
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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Eggnog » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:30 pm

Lololol

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Hiroko » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:42 pm

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Tuor » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:32 pm

Just sums up nicely what Whatis had been saying in the Talk Thread

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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Tuor » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:44 pm

Also, look what PBS has handily done
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Re: Ferguson Discussion and Talk Thread ~

Postby Q.U. » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:21 am

There you see an example why witness testimony is the lowest form of evidence in a courtroom. They can't decide on anything.
You go by forensic and ballistic evidence first, witness testimony is supposed to help establish what else could have happened, and it's been repeatedly proven that witnesses fail to remember things correctly or end up convincing themselves they saw things they didn't.

So according to US law, none of what the witnesses claimed made much difference. Hell, I'm quite sure that due to the way laws in US look DW would get away with it even if there was clear evidence that MB was lifting his hands up and didn't rush at him. Once the cop decides to use deadly force, that's what it is, deadly. And they will generally not stop shooting until you stop moving. And that's actually technically legal for them in the eyes of the law. Which is why I wouldn't want to live/work in the USA. And also why the ruling wasn't really "wrong" as I stated before. This is how your laws are shaped. I think we can all agree these laws suck (same as the stand your ground that let Zimmerman free, again court wasn't wrong letting him free, the laws allowed for what he did).
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