Moderator: Mod Squad
I do love it. Seriously, it's very well-done. Lovely artwork and a strongly conservative message behind it. Thanks for sharing.Q.U. wrote:By the way, enjoy this one. Ruff is gonna love it.
What, really? You can't see that?Valhallen wrote:How would you interpret its symbolism as a strongly conservative message?
I can, but "conservative" has a lot of meanings these days, some of them rather far from the basic meaning of desiring to protect the status quo. For example, the guy who painted that could be described as a libertarian and religious fundamentalist. I wanted to hear what it meant to you.RuffDraft wrote:What, really? You can't see that?Valhallen wrote:How would you interpret its symbolism as a strongly conservative message?
Dubious. Do you think that the price-setting, EPA-starting Nixon is to the right of tax-cutting, government-shrinking Obama? Or that dictatorial, society-overthrowing Lincoln should be over there? The painter's explanation (mouse over to see explanations of different parts) emphasizes more how he thinks they helped "the forgotten man" on the bench, which seems to correlate with but not quite follow a left-right spectrum.RuffDraft wrote:Okay. Take a look at the picture, starting from the left side. The picture is arranged from stage left (political Right/fiscal or political conservative) to stage right (political Left/Liberal or Progressive).
How do you consider Bush to be Progressive? Consider how the Progressive Caucus's budget contrasts with Bush's policies.RuffDraft wrote:Notice how most of the non-moderate democrats are facing away from the right, and many are applauding TO the left. Notice further how Pres. Bush (Right-Wing Progressive) is pointing towards the Right, wanting to go to that side, but being caught up in his Progressive politics and therefore feels he cannot leave his side.
So they're upset at the insufficiency of regulation in the financial system? I could see some of them acknowledging its usefulness, like Hamilton, but the present economy and regulatory system is very different from what any of them actually dealt with. And they had just racked up a huge debt to pay for what they considered to be a worthy cause (the Revolution) and resolved to pay it off with government revenue.RuffDraft wrote:The founding fathers and a lot of famous political and fiscal conservatives are around a park bench, holding their hands in concern for the man on the park bench, who appears to be either a college student or a jobless adult. That man will be burdened by the policies of excessive spending that have accumulated over the years, doomed to pay off the debt for the rest of his taxable life. The others around him have expressions that read "Look what you've done to this man," which is a clear indicator that they are upset as to the state of affairs that have gotten us to this point.
Each dollar on the ground has its own note which says something of the painter's ideas relating to monetary and fiscal policy.RuffDraft wrote:Notice the money scattered around the ground; this is money that the man cannot use, as evidenced by why we don't see him reaching for it.
Most of the Constitution, at least. A number of Amendments are scattered about. Also, Washington had high regard for Congressional laws, using them to guide his actions in the Whiskey Rebellion, for example.RuffDraft wrote:Pres. Obama is clearly standing on what appears to be the Constitution, and is blatantly ignoring Pres. Washington as he tries to bring it to his attention (note: The only reason Washington would care that Obama was stepping on the paper is if it was gravely important, and this means it can ONLY BE the Constitution).
What about the Articles of Confederation? Also, the Constitution doesn't say much about the day to day actions of the government, which is mostly covered by acts of Congress.RuffDraft wrote:This shows that Obama does not care about the Rule Of Law in America, which IS the Constitution, or it should be, as it is the first written law of the nation.