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Re: Weekly discussion (2/7-2/14): Scale in video games

Postby Valhallen » Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:01 pm

Weekly discussion 15 (2/15-2/22): Moore's Law and its implications for society

Moore's Law is an important part of information technology development, and the state as of a few years ago is described here. Long-term growth in world processing power is about 58% per year. Hard drive, flash memory, and network capacities are growing even faster. Currently, the Internet is subsuming other media. What happens over another twenty years as the underlying technology becomes tens or hundreds of thousands of times more powerful? The top supercomputers are reaching estimates of the processing power of the human brain, though no one knows how to program a mind. What happens when that knowledge is available and Moore's Law keeps chugging along? This is an increasingly mainstream consideration (Time ran an article on it recently), and it looks like it will be a major influence on society over the next few decades. Past then, predictions tend to break down due to things getting pretty wild.

So, what do you think is going to happen as the power of information technology keeps doubling every year or so?
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Re: Weekly discussion (2/15-2/22): Moore's Law - implications

Postby BeeAre » Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:02 pm

less and less reasons to justify bad things needing to exist in the world, for one thing. i don't even mean this as a short-term thing, either.

however, i believe i linked information to a webcomic that summarizes my opinion of the technological singularity: even if that technology is available, it will still be a divided dream from a majority of humanity, and thus simply something else to divide people into specific groups that do more harm than good.
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Re: Weekly discussion (2/15-2/22): Moore's Law - implications

Postby Icha » Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:22 pm

Oh, I'm sure they'll break Moore's law eventually. I say the power of immersion between what is real and what is not will change up, and no matter how far you advance in technology, humanity lags behind. How well we cope with what's to come is anyone's guess.
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Re: Weekly discussion (2/15-2/22): Moore's Law - implications

Postby Sentios » Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:26 pm

Since Ray Kurzweil's already been mentioned... (I don't know why he tries to predict exact years into the future, it's not extremely important) http://www.ted.com/talks/ray_kurzweil_a ... rsity.html

http://www.ted.com/talks/ray_kurzweil_o ... rm_us.html
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Re: Weekly discussion (2/15-2/22): Moore's Law - implications

Postby Valhallen » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:48 pm

Weekly discussion 16 (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Obama recently released his "long form" birth certificate. End of the birther movement? Apparently not. So, what does Spam think?
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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby Q.U. » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:32 pm

1) 1/4 of Americans are retarded.
2) Retarded Americans are immune to facts.
3) President is too black for people to accept it.
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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby BeeAre » Thu Apr 28, 2011 6:36 pm

race will be an issue for as long as it takes for "reverse racism" to be discredited as an idea, which will only happen once people accept the historical precedent of SPECIFICALLY GIVING A BENEFIT TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE HISTORICALLY LACKING THAT BENEFIT in order to correct that particular social problem of inequity.

See: the denial of white privilege, the outcry against affirmative action, and really any time white americans get upset that because they personally haven't seen themselves having benefited from white privilege then the whole thing clearly never existed at all.
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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby Rough Giraffe » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:38 am

@Q.U.: Who in the mainstream media (or even FoxNews) is making any sort of argument that Obama isn't doing a good job because he's black? I think people are making the argument that he's doing a bad job because he makes a lot of promises and then doesn't keep more than a third of them.
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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby Q.U. » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:12 am

BeeAre wrote:race will be an issue for as long as it takes for "reverse racism" to be discredited as an idea, which will only happen once people accept the historical precedent of SPECIFICALLY GIVING A BENEFIT TO A GROUP OF PEOPLE HISTORICALLY LACKING THAT BENEFIT in order to correct that particular social problem of inequity.

See: the denial of white privilege, the outcry against affirmative action, and really any time white americans get upset that because they personally haven't seen themselves having benefited from white privilege then the whole thing clearly never existed at all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRfjLfyXYlA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ONuBBmRRpM

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@Q.U.: Who in the mainstream media (or even FoxNews) is making any sort of argument that Obama isn't doing a good job because he's black? I think people are making the argument that he's doing a bad job because he makes a lot of promises and then doesn't keep more than a third of them.

Woah, he made a million promises and didn't keep a third of them? Must be the worst-president-ever!

We may begin a discussion once you quote a source summing up how many promises did Bush realise. And how many he'd made as compared to Obama. Otherwise we have no context.
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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby Rough Giraffe » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:25 am

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It's not a Bush, it's a Shrubbery.



Seriously though, why do we need to compare Bush and Obama? Bush isn't Black.




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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby DaCrum » Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:13 pm

This debate is stupid.

Also


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... /obameter/

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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby Rough Giraffe » Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:33 pm

...Did you not notice that I JUST linked that?
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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby Valhallen » Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:18 pm

RuffDraft wrote:Image

It's not a Bush, it's a Shrubbery.
And it went alongside the other shrubbery, only slightly lower and to the right, with another administration down the middle.
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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby Rough Giraffe » Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:56 am

And then the next shrubbery told us he was going to undo the damage caused by the last one, but then did a lot of the same things the same, decided to send more troops overseas, send more service members to Guantanamo Bay, and decided the best way to get out of a recession was to spend our way out of it. What a sap.




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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby Valhallen » Mon May 02, 2011 1:41 am

Anyway, my initial thought on the matter was that it would have been better to wait until after the primaries to release it. Let Trump and others pull the Republican base in that direction until they picked someone to run, probably with that topic in mind. Then release it during the general campaign to discredit whoever his opponent is. But maybe that overstates his estimation of the Republican base. If proxy birtherism remains a significant influence in the primaries, it might even more effectively alienate whoever runs in the general election, though (as some of Trumps statements imply) other things might take the focus.

Or, this may have been scheduled with the killing of bin Laden to undercut broader opposition, with the national security bump a few days after the birther bump to keep up momentum. The operation was apparently planned over the same time that the birth certificate was released.
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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby Sable » Mon May 02, 2011 1:48 am

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!!
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Re: Weekly discussion (4/28-5/5): Birtherism and politics

Postby Valhallen » Wed May 11, 2011 8:20 pm

Weekly discussion 17 (5/11-5/18): The debt ceiling

The debt ceiling is a legal cap on how big the US federal debt can get, so if it is reached while running a deficit, various things will find themselves without sufficient funds, such as payment of interest on the national debt. It's getting pretty close now. There is some controversy over whether or not it should be raised. Not raising it would be bad.

So, thoughts from Spam?
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Re: Weekly discussion (5/11-5/18): The debt ceiling

Postby Icha » Wed May 11, 2011 9:38 pm

Wait, so if we don't raise the debt cap things get messed up? Then what are we waiting for?
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Re: Weekly discussion (5/11-5/18): The debt ceiling

Postby Littlisk » Wed May 11, 2011 9:55 pm

I suppose it would revolve around what needs to be paid in full and what can be paid at minimum interest. A higher debt cap could help stimulate parts of the economy thats struggling.
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Re: Weekly discussion (5/11-5/18): The debt ceiling

Postby Valhallen » Wed May 11, 2011 10:51 pm

icha_icha_paradise wrote:Wait, so if we don't raise the debt cap things get messed up? Then what are we waiting for?
It seems that some people in Congress are looking to hold the country hostage to get political concessions.

Littlisk wrote:A higher debt cap could help stimulate parts of the economy thats struggling.
The debt ceiling has never been met. It has never served to limit government spending. Raising the ceiling represents continuing the status quo. That said, running into the debt ceiling would result in a sudden drop in government spending, which would be bad for the economy on its own. It's just that the fallout from defaulting on the debt would be so much worse that it's more in the focus.
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Re: Weekly discussion (5/11-5/18): The debt ceiling

Postby Valhallen » Tue May 17, 2011 1:28 am

UPDATE: Apparently the debt ceiling was reached some time on Monday. "Emergency actions" like raiding pension funds are keeping things going for now, but unless something is done, supposedly loans will start defaulting in early August.



Also, apparently the debt ceiling was reached in 2004, and such emergency measures were taken then, so we're not in uncharted territory yet. It's just that this time around, it's not a given that it will be raised in time.
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Re: Weekly discussion (5/11-5/18): The debt ceiling

Postby Icha » Tue May 17, 2011 6:16 pm

Why did we need a debt cap in the first place?
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Re: Weekly discussion (5/11-5/18): The debt ceiling

Postby Q.U. » Tue May 17, 2011 6:44 pm

Let's discuss the public option the GOP added to insurance companies, the one which does in fact work retroactively.
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Re: Weekly discussion (5/11-5/18): The debt ceiling

Postby Valhallen » Wed May 18, 2011 2:22 am

icha_icha_paradise wrote:Why did we need a debt cap in the first place?
It's not really needed, but it's there for a reason. Originally, Congress directly authorized acquisition of debt, but World War I needed a lot of stuff to be done, so Congress delegated authority on specifics while constraining total debt to a certain amount. It's supposed to be a check on the Executive branch, though it hasn't really been useful for that.

Q.U. wrote:Let's discuss the public option the GOP added to insurance companies, the one which does in fact work retroactively.
As in property insurance rather than health insurance?
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Re: Weekly discussion (5/11-5/18): The debt ceiling

Postby Q.U. » Wed May 18, 2011 4:09 am

As in property insurance rather than health insurance?

Exactly.

Though I'd expected that some ignorant Rep would come out yelling that the GOP doesn't support public option at all, because it's socialism/Nazism/islamofacism etc.
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