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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby Mr. Froggy » Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:50 pm

2025 used to be the magic number for the singularity, could be that the first calculations weren't very accurate. The wiki article says 2040.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby Vegedus » Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:24 pm

Who knows. It's not much easier to predict when it'll happen than what will actually happen.

For my part, I'm a bit skeptical. Like, I think the prospect of the singularity is super interesting, exciting, and a little bit scary, but I'm not actually sure it'll really happen, or be as big a deal as it's made out to be. Mainly, because the theory seems to be based on the evolution of hardware, on Moore's Law. That something interesting will happen when the exponential growth becomes a vertical line. But artificial intelligence, self-modifying robots and all that, making them isn't just a question of hardware, it's also a matter of software. And there's no sense of exponential progress there. C++ is still one of the most popular programming languages and it's 30 years old. The things they're doing with neural networks and Siri and what not is impressive, but it's not something that's gonna become self-aware by chucking more CPU cycles at it. These things only become smarter when we program them smarter, and that's a matter of man-power.

Not saying the singularity is impossible, and I honestly know little enough about it that I could just have misunderstood some part of the concept that undermines my argument. I just think it's more likely that technology keeps trotting on, gradually progressing, even after reaching a point of all hardware being redundantly powerful.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby EagleMan » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:32 pm

Hardware has gotten more powerful than the average person has use for. It's part of why PC sales have dropped a lot. No one needs the new and improved PC unless you're a hardcore gamer, and a lot of those people just build their own PC anyways.

Hardware advancements will continue to be useful for researchers and companies, but for the average person's technological needs, unless you're storing vast amounts of porn, your needs are already pretty much handled by current technology. The biggest issue most average people face right now is bandwidth concerns, not hardware ones.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby Icha » Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:21 pm

That's a matter of everyone having to play catchup with processor development. But until we get programs written by enough smarties for each specific area that we currently have trouble on (Identifying content of images, walking, learning, which is really big), we won't get the singularity. Each big problem is made into tiny pieces that are actually quite the feat to explicitly code. To create something smarter and most importantly, more flexible than a person, will probably need a whole new technique. Something radical for its time, like regular expressions, objects. It is highly impractical to hardcode all the instances of things that an AI could possibly meet, and even with what we have today for extrapolation is limited.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby F.U.N.K V.O.L.U.M.E » Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:47 pm

I'm gonna bring it back to afterlife for a second, where I have to say IDK. You see, I was raised Christian, going to church and youth group every week, going to private school until 7th grade; I was sheltered from "the world". But when I got a wake-up call from "the world" when I stepped outside from the safety of my home, I learned something: a lot of Christians are zealots. Freaking homophobic, Islamaphobic, ultra-conservative jackass zealots. I know that's not all Christians and there are some who want the exact opposite of all the bigotry that they push, but it's too damn many for me.

So I've been burned by Christianity. I've been looking into other religions; I've read the Bhagavad-Vita, and I want to research Islam. I would like to say that there is a higher power, and religions are just different ways to reach that power. Whether it be an actual plane of existance, or reincarnation, or whatever, I want to believe in an afterlife. Although sometimes I think "what if I'm wrong?", like what if there is only one true religion, and since I think different I go to hell, or what if there is no higher power and no afterlife, and what happens after that?

I guess I have to go harder and deeper (not like that) to find the answer.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby Mir@k » Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:14 pm

I remember this thread! The last post made on it was last december, holy shit how time flies.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby MERASMUS! » Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:55 pm

So you are looking for a new religion simply because other Christians are over zealous and you want to believe in a afterlife.

I find that so odd.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby Guardian » Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:25 pm

And why is that, MadDoc?

F.U.N.K V.O.L.U.M.E wrote:I guess I have to go harder and deeper (not like that) to find the answer.

Well, people aren't perfect. Take that into consideration.

Personally, I find it silly that you wiped out an entire branch of faith instead of looking more into the different types of Christian faiths. I would have checked out some more and seen what they believed in before going to a totally different ball game. But again, that's personal opinions. There are very, very few things the different Christian faiths have in common, the most common is that there was this guy named Jesus and that's where things get different.

As for the idea of an afterlife, every religion and every person believes in something different.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby MERASMUS! » Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:45 pm

It's odd because she's abandoning an entire faith and finding a new one just to believe in a afterlife. I find it unnecessary to be tied to a single religion to believe in a afterlife.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby Mir@k » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:45 pm

I just hope there's something. I don't like the idea of our consciousness just disappearing.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby YesterdaysLingo » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:41 am

If there is a afterlife, something along the lines of heaven and hell. I think I'd be at peace with going to hell just because I'll be reassured of the two's existence in knowing that those whom I believe deserve to reach heaven have a chance to do such... But it's whatevs at this point.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby F.U.N.K V.O.L.U.M.E » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:30 am

Blood Lord wrote:Personally, I find it silly that you wiped out an entire branch of faith instead of looking more into the different types of Christian faiths. I would have checked out some more and seen what they believed in before going to a totally different ball game. But again, that's personal opinions. There are very, very few things the different Christian faiths have in common, the most common is that there was this guy named Jesus and that's where things get different.


Like I said, I need to do some soul-searching. I will look into other interpretations of Christianity, but I want to find what other religions offer. I've been told all my life "Jesus is the only way"; I just wanna see if I can find a connection with another faith
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby EagleMan » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:37 pm

If there is a God, and he is a god worth following, then he will reward you for being a virtuous person, not because you ate a cracker or took a dunk under some water. If you are a good person in your life, any moral and just god will recognize and reward you for that.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby Tuor » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:13 pm

EagleMan wrote:If there is a God, and he is a god worth following, then he will reward you for being a virtuous person, not because you ate a cracker or took a dunk under some water. If you are a good person in your life, any moral and just god will recognize and reward you for that.


This is basically what I've come to subscribe to, so I don't worry about not following a religion
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby tonightscake » Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:51 pm

That is unless god does not have a righteous existence/personality. He/She/It may even be a narcissistic, belligerent being that is blinded by its own existence to realize that it's impossible for all people to fully believe in a sole religion without any question. This being may believe that someone not following "the right" religion is automatically a heretic. Hopefully a supreme being would actually judge people based on purity and how virtuous they are, but who knows.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby F.U.N.K V.O.L.U.M.E » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:17 am

The Mad Doctor wrote:It's odd because she's abandoning an entire faith and finding a new one just to believe in a afterlife. I find it unnecessary to be tied to a single religion to believe in a afterlife.


When did I say it was all about an afterlife? I said I was disenfranchised by all the zealots. What do they have to do with the afterlife? The bible just doesn't make any sense to me, and I can't find any spiritual connection to it. Don't put words in my mouth
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby EagleMan » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:21 am

Based on what you said it did seem like you were concerned about the afterlife. You explicitly mentioned worry over not going to Heaven because of picking the wrong religion. Maybe not exactly the way he said, but you do seem to be concerned about choosing the "right" one so as to go to Heaven.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby Guardian » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:22 pm

Which has nothing to do with leaving the Christian faith, just that she wants to maintain a belief in the afterlife and hopes she picks the correct one.

MadDoc is calling stupid on abandoning a faith to believe in an afterlife when the real case was leaving a faith because of it is "Freaking homophobic, Islamaphobic, ultra-conservative jackass zealots."

You even have FUNK correcting MD otherwise.

There is concern with picking a right one, but it has nothing to do with what MD is calling out on.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby MERASMUS! » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:02 pm

To be clear, I only said I found it weird for FUNK to be researching for religions because she wanted to believe in a afterlife. She has a pretty valid reason to leave the Catholic Church, while I am Christian, I agree with her reasoning for leaving.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby noxux » Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:49 am

This thread sure comes back from time to time, well now that we are in the topic how about this ofr the opinion of you people what will be your true religion to believe, the religion that you think that it will take you to a better place. (Please let's try to get most of the arguments of one religion offending the other to the minimum and just discuss the point of view of the other people.)
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby OrangeBee » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:51 pm

If god exist (and im not saying he doesn't, dont want to offend) then he would have said something about all these religions popping up.

If he does then he probably doesn't care as long as we're being nice to one another, not trying to cause other harm.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby Guardian » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:42 pm

I really don't feel comfortable replying to that.
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby Tuor » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:50 pm

I don't see how this vein of conversation can go well
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby noxux » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:55 pm

Ok how about a theory of parallel universes?

Post any ideas for the philosophy thread, anyone anytime becasue I'm out of ideas
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Re: Philosophy Thread

Postby Tenshi Nova » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:56 pm

Not sure what conversation can come up from alternative universes.
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