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Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:32 am

Mubarak is still in power, so they're still upset. He's sorta dodged the call, he said he would delegate some amount of power to Suleiman, but it's not clear how much.

Basically, we have to watch the generals and see what happens.

The Supreme Council of Armed forces has pledged to uphold the people's rights.

Another statement by the army is supposed to happen in a couple hours, according to Al Jazeera.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:54 am

... Why is the army suddenly backing Mubarak now?

EDIT: Scratch that, Mubarak has stepped down and the army has taken over, apparently

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:54 pm

Wazit wrote:... Why is the army suddenly backing Mubarak now?

EDIT: Scratch that, Mubarak has stepped down and the army has taken over, apparently

More specifically Omar Suleiman will be the head-honcho from now. This increases chances of stabilization, but decreases chances of democratization.
zepherin wrote:He isn't seeking reelection and elections are coming this September, I think the protesters are a bit unreasonable at this moment.

If you would earn 80$ a month, with prices of products only about 4x times lower than those in Europe, you'd be pissed off, too.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:38 pm

Rival wrote:If you would earn 80$ a month, with prices of products only about 4x times lower than those in Europe, you'd be pissed off, too.

I am not saying that the Egyptians do not have a legitimate beef. I am saying that the protesters already won. They are getting a new president in September and the next guy will almost assuredly listen to his people more.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:44 pm

But will the new person be a supporter of ours (US) or not? This is what my roommate is concerned with. Egypt is apparently our only support in the Arab world.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:01 pm

Mathias wrote:But will the new person be a supporter of ours (US) or not? This is what my roommate is concerned with. Egypt is apparently our only support in the Arab world.

Omar Suleiman is probably the most pro-US guy in all of Egypt. US government is likely the force that pressed on most for him becoming the new leader.

So if he remains in power after this year, and the opposition in Egypt is weak and fractured at the moment, Egypt will likely become even more pro-US.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:09 pm

He doesn't trust that guy because of certain supporters he has.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:25 pm

Mathias wrote:He doesn't trust that guy because of certain supporters he has.

There's not much I can say, other than what I already have. His entire career proves he is very loyal to the US, almost frighteningly so. Your friends concerns are, in my opinion, unfounded.

Radical Egyptian religious groups, such as the Muslim Brotherhood, are what the US government should worry about, but those are currenntly far too weak to gain reign in Egypt.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:55 pm

I think that brotherhood is who he's concerned about. He said they were supporters of his.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:45 pm

Mathias wrote:Egypt is apparently our only support in the Arab world.

Well except, the Saudis, the UAE, Jordan and Morocco (fun fact first country to acknowledge US sovereignty and one of the first to establish a bilateral treaty).

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:49 pm

Mathias wrote:I think that brotherhood is who he's concerned about. He said they were supporters of his.

No religious groups support him, maybe the Copts slightly out of fear of Muslims, he's anti-islamic and is a supporter of secularization.
zepherin wrote:Well except, the Saudis,

Saudis aren't really that much pro-US, their elites are split. Once King Abdullah dies they might turn anti-US depending on who succeeds.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:15 am

Rival: Except we are their biggest customer. Also they think their neighbors are crazy.

On the Egypt front looks like everyone is going home. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12445192

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:14 am

Meanwhile Algeria seems to be stirring up,not as much as Egypt did, but still.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:34 am

Rival wrote:Meanwhile Algeria seems to be stirring up,not as much as Egypt did, but still.

Yeah but Algeria always seams to be in a state of cranky.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:46 pm

So, the Iranians are pretty pissed off, huh?

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:47 am

Wizard wrote:So, the Iranians are pretty pissed off, huh?

Yup that virus fucked them. I blame the Russians.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:30 am

There seems to be a very big rash of censorship by middle eastern governments. First Iran now Eygpt, I wonder if these are the only incidents, or the only ones that have managed to get out before the governments locked down on the information flow...

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:56 pm

Censorship in these countries is news? Not really.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:38 pm

smileyblacksun wrote:There seems to be a very big rash of censorship by middle eastern governments. First Iran now Eygpt, I wonder if these are the only incidents, or the only ones that have managed to get out before the governments locked down on the information flow...

but locking down information seams to have backfired and all the middle eastern nations are looking at egypt with concern.

Well except a few regimes where people are generally pleased.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:44 am

So 60 Minutes reporter Lara Logan was gang-raped. No offense, ladies, but I'm not sure why they send women into places in a state like that to begin with.

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:18 am

Male journalists could just as easily get beaten to death.

At any rate, either would make for an interesting evening headline. (I am not joking; some news offices might feel this way.)

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:06 pm

Mathias wrote:At any rate, either would make for an interesting evening headline. (I am not joking; some news offices might feel this way.)

Turn might into most, move it forward by two words, and get rid of some... After that you'll be FAR more accurate with that sentience.

Anyways... *Drags self back onto topic* I'm just pissed the censorship. It's stupid and all it's going to do is let whatever the protestors are pissed about simmer until it boils over in the face of the Egyptian government and whoever else is close at hand at the moment. Same goes for Iran, that government is going to dig themselves into a grave eventually...

Re: Egyptian Protest Thread.

Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:22 am

I didn't say it that way for a reason.
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