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Sentios wrote: In fewer words I'm saying that humanity as a whole isn't mature enough to spread through the stars yet, using our inability to cooperate on important matters as an example of this.
The idea of a colony on Mars taking instruction from say America or China is also very silly. It may be that way for a while but how many countries still have colonies?
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EagleMan wrote:I don't see how the children would be much affected.
Humans for most of history have been raised through some pretty terrible and squalid conditions.
If the child's born there, they won't miss what they haven't had. And if they're actually allowed to have children (they would obey orders of course), then obviously the situation they have at their base is an incredibly positive one for it to merit the go-ahead for allowing children.
And Sentios if a full-fledged colony is actually established.. then clearly transportation between the planets will be easy. Separation movements are incredibly harder to achieve today compared to previous centuries. They'd have even less of a chance in the future. A fresh start would also count for a lot too. We wouldn't have to go through the Industrial Age again and reinvent "green" technology, we'd arrive there technology and knowledge in hand.
Casmiricus wrote:I actually think that a colony on Mars is more feasible long term than space stations. In the first place, stations have no effective shielding from solar radiation, one of the larger problems of space travel. Second, bone-mass-loss in a zero or near-zero gravity environment is highly accelerated, which leads to all sorts of medical problems. Beyond that we have the utter lack of any way to gain useful materials (Vacuum not being either valuable or easy to transport) renders space stations zero-gain and total drain.
Sentios wrote:Except that our space travel tech is currently one way, those on Mars would have to be cooperative to send anything back to us.
EagleMan wrote:I think if a child didn't have the capacity to go back it'd be like how they perceive Heaven. Telling them that in the sky there is this great big paradise well... kids turn out fine after hearing about it. Would be the same thing here except that it's real.
Situations abound in history. Plenty of Europeans heard back from their immigrant family members from America.
I had said "And Sentios if a full-fledged colony is actually established.. then clearly transportation between the planets will be easy." I'd find it incredibly unlikely we'd establish such a nearby colony if we didn't have the capacity for easy travel between Earth and the object in question. Obviously our space travel tech is currently one way. And obviously we don't have a colony currently as well. I'd think the former would have to advance to relatively easy two-way travel before we can establish a colony.
The public certainly wouldn't condone the government's plan basically being "Drop men and women off. Leave them be". If you think the public wouldn't oppose it, then in more authoritarian countries such as China the leadership would still worry about maintaining control, so they themselves would nix a plan where they wouldn't have ease of travel.
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