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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:26 pm 
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It's a good news/bad news situation for believers in the 2012 Mayan apocalypse. The good news is that the Mayan "Long Count" calendar may not end on Dec. 21, 2012 (and, by extension, the world may not end along with it). The bad news for prophecy believers? If the calendar doesn't end in December 2012, no one knows when it actually will - or if it has already.

A new critique, published as a chapter in the new textbook "Calendars and Years II: Astronomy and Time in the Ancient and Medieval World" (Oxbow Books, 2010), argues that the accepted conversions of dates from Mayan to the modern calendar may be off by as much as 50 or 100 years. That would throw the supposed and overhyped 2012 apocalypse off by decades and cast into doubt the dates of historical Mayan events. (The doomsday worries are based on the fact that the Mayan calendar ends in 2012, much as our year ends on Dec. 31.)

The Mayan calendar was converted to today's Gregorian calendar using a calculation called the GMT constant, named for the last initials of three early Mayanist researchers. Much of the work emphasized dates recovered from colonial documents that were written in the Mayan language in the Latin alphabet, according to the chapter's author, Gerardo Aldana, University of California, Santa Barbara professor of Chicana and Chicano Studies.
Later, the GMT constant was bolstered by American linguist and anthropologist Floyd Lounsbury, who used data in the Dresden Codex Venus Table, a Mayan calendar and almanac that charts dates relative to the movements of Venus.

"He took the position that his work removed the last obstacle to fully accepting the GMT constant," Aldana said in a statement. "Others took his work even further, suggesting that he had proven the GMT constant to be correct."

But according to Aldana, Lounsbury's evidence is far from irrefutable.

"If the Venus Table cannot be used to prove the FMT as Lounsbury suggests, its acceptance depends on the reliability of the corroborating data," he said. That historical data, he said, is less reliable than the Table itself, causing the argument for the GMT constant to fall "like a stack of cards."
Aldana doesn't have any answers as to what the correct calendar conversion might be, preferring to focus on why the current interpretation may be wrong. Looks like end-of-the-world theorists may need to find another ancient calendar on which to pin their apocalyptic hopes.


Eh...not sure what to say about this. If it's expected to be delayed by 50 or 100 years, then I guess that's fine. Feels like good news, but it feels strange as well. I never thought I wouldn't care much about my lifespan. Weird.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:59 pm 
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Eh...not sure what to say about this. If it's expected to be delayed by 50 or 100 years, then I guess that's fine. Feels like good news, but it feels strange as well. I never thought I wouldn't care much about my lifespan. Weird.

Wait, you actually believe that when the Mayan calendar will or won't end will actually affect your lifespan? What Bob said. Aztecs, on the other hand, and Montezuma in particular, are a bunch of annoying warmongers in Civilization V.

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*blink*

Wait a sec...

What's with the Coos doppelganger set, Vegedus?

A lot of people are switching sets, particularly those who frequent Spam. It's a Halloween thing.


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The underlying assumption for the whole 'world ends when the Mayan calendar ends' is that the Mayans, had they survived this long, wouldn't have created another calendar. :3

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the whole theory is that they guessed that a man would take a shit at one point in time, so all of a sudden people who didn't have deodorant are the wisest people in the history of the world.



I don't give a shit if they drew an astronaut. Fahrenheit 451 predicted headphones, does that mean that if the author says a horse will fuck us, that it will be true?

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Holy crap your new avatar creeps me out, Jesus.

Clearly, 3 days of rest weren't enough to save him this time.

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Rosso Rose wrote:
Eh...not sure what to say about this. If it's expected to be delayed by 50 or 100 years, then I guess that's fine. Feels like good news, but it feels strange as well. I never thought I wouldn't care much about my lifespan. Weird.

Wait, you actually believe that when the Mayan calendar will or won't end will actually affect your lifespan? What Bob said. Aztecs, on the other hand, and Montezuma in particular, are a bunch of annoying warmongers in Civilization V.


I don't really know much about those people other than they're allowed to kill each other for their so called "Sun Gods", which is a mockery of religious devotion.

And "affect my lifespan" as in end my life early by the way.

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I never believed in the whole 2012 thing, just because Mayas could predict astronomical events extremely well, doesn't mean they know when the world will end. I always figured the people who believed in 2012 also believe we didn't go to the moon and Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.

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I don't really know much about those people other than they're allowed to kill each other for their so called "Sun Gods", which is a mockery of religious devotion.

And "affect my lifespan" as in end my life early by the way.

Yes, I got that. And again, if you believe the Mayans were a bunch of jack-offs anyways, why do you actually believe their calendar predicted anything about the world ending?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:57 pm 
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Maybe it was a coincidence that people believed in 2012 being the end. In fact, because we use the Gregorian Calendar system, I could also say that people were unaware that they thought that the Mayan Calendar was similar to the Gregorian Calendar system.

Now that the Mayan Calendar has been converted, I'm not worried about my life ending so soon.

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However, you were only worried in the first place because you're a dumbass.

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Exactly what I was trying to say. In less nice words.

I think the chain of events goes something like:

1: Some people notice that the Mayan calendar ends in 2012 (except it doesn't).
2: Some people interpret that as the world definitely ending (why there is a consensus on this, I'm not sure), because, as all the ancient civilizations, the Mayans were totally smarter than we are.
3: Various theories of how the world could end are formed.
4: More and more jump on this band vagon, making their own theories, because the world ending is a great subject to earn some money and fame off of. The theory in question are backed with the flimsiest scientific and circumstantial evidence.
5: Gullible people, the kind of people who prefer their "documentaries" with scary music and sentences like "Coincidence? What do YOU think?!", go into hysteria and buys lots of doomsday stuff and spread it around.

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Well, it's just like the Y2K bug and Nostradamus prophecies.

They're just fads until it turns out nothing actually happens.

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Well, it's just like the Y2K bug and Nostradamus prophecies.

They're just fads until it turns out nothing actually happens.
Well, the Y2K bug was real. It's just that it was largely fixed in time, and not much of significance happened.


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Wasn't it fixed somewhat well in advance of the issue?

And then the media continued on milking it for all it was worth, because people just found it interesting/were too ignorant about the issue to know the difference?

But you're right, Y2K bug could actually happen in reality. Still, I related it since was another huge pseudo-apocalypse scenario fixed to a certain date/time that, during the height of its popularity in media, was basically guaranteed to not actually happen.

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And isn't is supposed to be the technological singularity that is coming?

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