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Homework lawsuit fails

Postby Kris » Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:48 am

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[quote]Judge gives homework lawsuit a big fat 'F'
How much, when work is due left up to school boardUpdated: 4:38 p.m. ET March 9, 2005MILWAUKEE - A judge threw out a high school student’s lawsuit against mandatory summer homework, saying he and his father should have done a little more studying themselves before bringing the case.

Students in the Whitnall High School math course — honors pre-calculus — were supposed to do three assignments by certain dates over the summer. Peer Larson, 17, and his father, Bruce, had filed suit in Circuit Court, arguing that homework should not be required after the 180-day academic year is over.

The Larsons argued it was difficult for the boy to do the assignments because he had a summer job as a camp counselor. They also said students should be able to enjoy their summers free of homework.

But it’s up to school boards to decide such things, Judge Richard J. Sankovitz ruled Tuesday.

“Had the Larsons done a bit more homework,â€
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Postby Spike » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:51 pm

"omg WOE! Calculus is so stressful! Sue! Sue!!"

Glad the judge got it right ;P
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Re: Homework lawsuit fails

Postby almost_here » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:51 pm

While I despise homework in every way, shape, and form, when you take a course like that it's outlined in the program of studies that you have to do these assignments. It's his desicion(sp) to sign up for the class, he should've known that the class invovled summer homework. Summer job or not, camp counseling(sp maybe?) doesnt take up that much time, and you get weekends off with most of them. He should quit his bitching and get it done.
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Postby Dave » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:58 pm

Yeah I'm glad the judge didn't let them "sue" for that because holy shit people are sue happy and it's ridiculous the reasons people come up with. But I agree that homework in the summer is complete and utter BULLSHIT on every level.
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Postby Kris » Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:16 pm

I have NEVER had to do summer homework. NEVER. Unless I was taking a class DURING the summer.

My sister has had to read books during the summer, though. I think it's BS. It's the SUMMER. You're NOT currently enrolled in school, and techincally, the class has NOT started yet. So I don't see why you should have to do homework for it.
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Postby Lengeta » Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:07 pm

octodexy wrote:I understand why they sued, because technically it's not the school year, but whatever.


I can understand why they might be upset, but I fail to see why they tried to sue.
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Postby Acktoo » Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:50 pm

Once again, people are stupid.
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Re: Homework lawsuit fails

Postby Wizard » Thu Mar 10, 2005 3:20 pm

When I get homework over the summer, I do it at the last minute. Figures that the bus is super-bumpy...
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Re: Homework lawsuit fails

Postby Nix » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:07 pm

I disagree, I think the suit should have gone through and an injunction been issued against the school to prevent this sort of thing.

School is already ridiculous enough in their arrogant attitude towards students afterhours time, but to assign homework over the Summer Holidays is obscene.

This also brings to light several issues of discrimination, in that students who do not have much money or live on their own and NEED to work summers or have other committments like family etc that require their attention, are being unfairly forced out of a chance at an education.

I hope this guy appeals the living shit out of this, as it's just another fine example of high-and-mighty legal authorities making laws that have no chance of ever affecting them and ignoring the plight of those who have no recourse.
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Re: Homework lawsuit fails

Postby almost_here » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:29 pm

So, your saying that these high and mighty lawmakers never had to do this themselves? These have been around forever, homework over vacation isn't a new concept. Those lawmakers wen't through it same as we did/going to, if they felt it was that bad they wouldv'e changed it themselves (like that's going to happen though).

You do make a good point about the fact that some kids need to work during summer vacation, but not as much in this case, most summer camps run from somewhere in 9:30 in the morning to 4:00 in the afternoon, and are mostly not on weekends, except in some cases where it's an overnight thing, but those never last all summer. My point is that no matter how much you have going on, you can find ten hours or so over the course of an entire summer. Excluding the most extreme of circumstances, although they'd prolly give you an extension if it was that serious.

Homework over the summer sucks, but it's not going to change unless someone who it really doesnt have an effect over decides to change it, until then, if you signed up for the course, just fucking deal with it.
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Re: Homework lawsuit fails

Postby Wizard » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:39 pm

As the grown-ups like to say...

"Life isn't always fair."

And as Dr. Hobo says...

"Life sucks, then you die. GET OVER IT!"
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Postby Hapoppo » Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:21 am

Well if they were just 10-hour things, then I really wouldn't consider it an issue. I mean shit, three days out of 90 is nothing, and some schools get out three days later than others. But if this thing actually would have extended the whole summer through, I'd say I'd have to side with Nix on this one - the concept of summer vacation is to relax and recover from the stress of school, and having to run through even more school on what was to be your time will just lead you to be burnt out by the time the next scholol year starts, causing you to function a lot less efficiently, and ultimately resulting in falling grades.
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Postby Hapoppo » Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:29 am

octodexy wrote:Your spring break, your winter breaks, your summer breaks aren't for your enjoyment. They're for spreading cow shit and picking potatos.


Stop contradicting yourself.
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Postby Cascade » Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:39 am

Hapoppo wrote:Stop contradicting yourself.

Oh let her be. She's quite obviously drawing from personal experience. Your sarcasm detector is broken.
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Postby Hapoppo » Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:44 am

So's yours, apparently. It was a really shitty joke, I admit, but I basically just said that spreading cow shit and picking potatoes is fun. Whee.
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Postby Jay » Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:35 am

Homework, the crappiest thing ever thought up, especially for over summer.
Homework, it serves to stress me out, work late, stay up late, forgetting to shower, pull me away from entertainment which would sufficiently erase the problem of stress. AND finally, it teaches me nothing, absolutely nothing. Also, it's the reason why I, many times more knowledgable then the retards (pretty much the bulk of my class) get C+'s while they pull in A's. Well, screw the school system.
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Postby Cole » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:13 am

homework exists for a reason. there's so much BS in school, you don't have enough time to really learn anything, but in college is when it gets to be a bitch. an average of three hours of homework for every hour of class you have.
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Postby Lengeta » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:18 am

For me, college is the place where you want to start producing some worthwhile work, but coming to the realization that procrastination followed by a half-assed, quickly put together product still remains the best solution.

And it's also where you learn that people don't tell you anything, you have to figure it out on your own.
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Postby Vidfreek » Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:46 am

homework is to check if you listen, but even if you fail it they dont do squat diddly, so whats the point? it's your fault if you don't listen.

*being posted IN school*

and i hate the fact that the idiots get rewards and better stuff for ''improving thier behavior''. bullshit, what do we get for our behavoir not NEEDING to be improved in the first place? zip.
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Re: Homework lawsuit fails

Postby zepherin » Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:53 am

hrmmm, I don't feal bad for the kid, but he does have a point, about working kids, Especially farm kids, during the summer those kids are doing 12 hours a pop all summer until fall. They would be unfairly prejudiced by summer homework.
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Re: Homework lawsuit fails

Postby almost_here » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:21 pm

I work on a farm. 12 hours days are the longest days we have, and it's mostly late July when we start working that many hours. Most farms I know of have enough kids working there to shorten the day. We also start loading deliveries to shaw's and the like at 5 in the morning, picking at 6 in the morning, so we're generally out of there with enough time left over to have a nice afternoon. We have short days too, early in the summer it's common that we'll be out of the feilds in a couple of hours. Although that's because we can't get them to grow any faster and can't plant them sooner, they'd freeze, so maybe it's different in places that are warn year round.

And if it was a summer-long assignment, then I completely argee with challenging the court's desicion. That's BS to the fullest extent. But, I can't see that happening for Calc...

Also, just a side note, we use chicken shit, appearently it works better.
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Re: Homework lawsuit fails

Postby Nix » Sat Mar 12, 2005 12:25 pm

I never had any bullshit summer assignments, and seeing as how nearly all the generation 40+ members DIDN'T go to College or University, NO, I don't think it's right at all that this generation should put up with it.

"That's how it's always been" is not a reason, it's a ridiculous excuse. Maybe we should have said "That's how it's always been" when slavery was an issue?

The whole POINT of the Legal System (civily) is to CHANGE and grow over time, to make sure that things that are wrong are corrected and updated.

It's a proven fact that the amount of homework and schoolwork increases constantly, sooner or later a line needs to be drawn that says "Enough" and I think that homework over the summer is it.

School is supposed to be training for work, and the reality is nobody asks you to work for free on your holidays. Some people in the extreme workaholic sections of life may, but 99% of people don't, so why should students?
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Re: Homework lawsuit fails

Postby Cascade » Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:42 pm

Teachers need to spend less time preaching their political views, like they did at my school, and more time teaching. The problem is that they're unionized, so they aren't accountable, and thus have free reign to give an excessive amount of homework. It's lame to complain about having to do homework, make no mistake, but I have to admit that sometimes having too much homework actually made it more difficult for me to study, and the tests were the only assignments actually worth anything in most of my classes.
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Re: Homework lawsuit fails

Postby almost_here » Sat Mar 12, 2005 3:35 pm

Nix said:
""That's how it's always been" is not a reason, it's a ridiculous excuse. Maybe we should have said "That's how it's always been" when slavery was an issue?"

Im sure the south probably did say that, and the north probably said that's a ridiculous excuse, the only real difference is that slavery was with people lives, and this just eats up a couple of hours. Oh, and the fact that they have armies, and could actually do something about it.Also, slavery wasn't a choice. Taking a class that involves summer homework is a choice. If you don't want to deal with summer homework, don't take the class. If taking the class meant that much to you to begin with, again just fucking deal with it.

Now in the extreme circumstance that you can't possibly do it over vacation, like a coma or something, if the school doesn't give you an extension, then sue the hell out of them.

If the assignment has to be done to move through the course, wouldn't make more sense to have the entire summer to do it, instead right at the beginning of the school year, where you would get maybe a week to do it? It's actually less stressful in that situation. There are a couple of times when this makes sense, don't just dismiss things in general.

The school does try and explain every assignment given over vacation like this though. AP English 3 had to read three books over the summer and write an essay on each. The essay's were turned in corrected and passed back, and the books weren't discussed at all.

The rest of your post I argee with completely. I just draw the line at AP courses (which are supposed to have a large amount of work), and you draw the line at never.
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Re: Homework lawsuit fails

Postby almost_here » Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:59 pm

But slavery was one of the main reasons the south wanted to succeed.

And I dont know of a class that assigns summer homework that isn't voluntary, and classes that assign summer homework are what I'm referring to. If there is then that's BS.
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