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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Remni » Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:14 am

Senel wrote:tl;dr Vegeta is an idiot.


Right up until the final DBZ episode anyways.. cause that final wish, no one else would have thought to do that.
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Vegedus » Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:47 pm

Goku is stronger than everyone else because he's the protagonist. It's not because of mallable, expanding in-universe logic, it's because of storytelling logic.
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Postby WiNg0o » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:09 pm

The problem with Dragonball is that it was clear that Toriyama clearly checked out once saiyens started popping up and the manga just continued anyways. Which is clearly the case with Bleach, Kubo clearly has skills and when he's not being forced to continue to wrap up all the plot holes he can make some pretty interesting stories, I mean the beginning of the Executioner arc was done pretty well then fell apart in the end when shinigami started popping up.

Either way both Naruto and Bleach are ending soon, and One Piece is only like half way done. I don't know what to feel now that 2 of the big three are ending, they may have lost their luster but I've been with them for so long that I have this attachment to them.

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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby ULTRADJWEEN » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:44 pm

I will have to catch up with Naruto and Bleach, as well as One Piece. From what I've gathered, Naruto is ending real soon and Bleach, well, has a little bit to go quite yet. As for One Piece, yeah, half way sounds about right since I heard the creator saying he was going to make the manga last 10 more years I think. Fairy Tail also has only like, maybe 3 arcs to go? I don't know for sure I'm just guessing, seeing where it is now.

I heard Akira wanted to end Dragonball after the Frieza saga, but didn't because....I forget why exactly. Something to do with being so popular the publishers didn't want him to stop, I forget, but yeah, almost everything, if not everything, after the Freiza saga is complete bull shit. Goku got too strong that the characters from the original Dragonball were just mere specks compared to his strength. Only like, Gohan and maybe Vegeta, and maybe Gotenks could kinda keep up with Goku a little, but not by much. I think Gohan was closest to being as strong or stronger than Goku.
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Senel » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:18 am

Gohan was the strongest character when he was the first one to achieve SSJ2 and when he became Mystic Gohan. And Veg there is a logical explanation for it besides just main character syndrome.
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Vegedus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:40 am

You can't talk about logical explanation with DBZ. It's dumb. Every power up is a contrievance thought up no more than a few chapters ahead. It's not that it's unrealistic, it's fiction, it goes without saying, it's that it doesn't have consistent set of logic you can extrapolate from and make educated what-ifs or predictions from. People have powered up from half-dying, being mad, fusing together, fusing in different ways and getting a different level of power up, time dilation, being mad in a specific way and training with turtle shells on their back. If he wanted, Akira could have easily made Yamcha the most powerful person in the series, with any kind explanation. It wouldn't be more incredolous than any of the ones he actually did use.

ULTRADJ wrote:I heard Akira wanted to end Dragonball after the Frieza saga, but didn't because....I forget why exactly. Something to do with being so popular the publishers didn't want him to stop.

From what I've heard, and as Wingoo point out, he wanted to stop ever since Goku defeated Piccolo. At that point, he was the strongest being on earth. Piccolo had been the series most long-lasting and biggest, baddest villain. He felt like a final boss. It would have been a fine way to end it. And already then were character being made obsolete at a rapid pace. Yamcha, Krillin, Master Roshi and arguably Tenshin-han and uh, the floating mime thing. But yeah, pressures from publishers, fans and money made him continue. It was after this the series markedly changed gears, introducing aliens, almost ret-conning Goku into being a saiyan and the same with Picollo. Note that this is like, a third of the way in to what the total volume of the mangas ended up as.

WiNg0o wrote:Either way both Naruto and Bleach are ending soon

Blizzard Soon TM, anyway. When the grand ninja war started, it was clear to be the final confrontation and it was gonna end "soon". When they reached the final bosses of Kabuto and Obito, it looked liked it was gonna end soon. And then they did a number of villain switching and One Winged Angel transformation that would put any Final Fantasy to shame. How long have they been fighting some variety of Ten-Tails proponent master villain? 2 years? I swear if Kaguya turns out not to be the final evil...
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Hallow Nova » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:44 am

The build up for Kaguya was there though. It's been mentioned before how Naruto and Sasuke were reincarnations of beings from an ancient conflict.
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Postby SpiderTiki » Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:19 am

Harkening back to DBZ you are half right and half wdong.

Akira wanted to end DBZ with goku dying and Gohan becoming the next MC, heir to the legacy and all that, from there he would go to ssj3 and so on, the however, whoever it was, forced him to continuw with goku as the MC
, but everytime a new villain showed up, the humans just got weaker and weaker.
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Postby Mir@k » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:25 pm

Isn't there supposed to be a naruto vs saskay fight yet?
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Remni » Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:47 pm

At the rate it's going, it's looking more like a "friendly competition" thing between them to be Hokage.
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Postby nobody » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:50 am

Hagoromo (the six path sage) is the next villain for naruto, calling it now.
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Remni » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:36 pm

Well Kuroko just ended. Pretty good series it was, though I was surprised the final issue seemed so short.
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Postby ULTRADJWEEN » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:34 pm

I heard about that series being a good sport series. Wow, it just ended yesterday. How was it as a whole? Is it worth checking out?
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Postby Remni » Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:40 pm

It suffered from the same thing 70% of sports mangas do with the whole "special ability" crap, but apart from that is was pretty good as a whole, the main characters are pretty likable.
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Postby WiNg0o » Tue Sep 02, 2014 6:21 pm

So basically it ain't ES21 so it ain't worth it.
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Postby Remni » Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:14 pm

No, you could say it's pretty close to ES21, I enjoyed that series quite a bit too, but I think they're personally just overdoing it on that stuff lately. Which is why I'm enjoying things like Haikyu and Baby Steps quite a bit more, because it sticks to the fundamentals of the game and the skill involved and less about some named ability they have.
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Postby ULTRADJWEEN » Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:10 pm

I never got into sports anime/manga before, but I might consider soon. I prefer shonen action but it does hurt to look at other genres.
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Postby WiNg0o » Wed Sep 03, 2014 5:59 am

ULTRADJ wrote:I never got into sports anime/manga before, but I might consider soon. I prefer shonen action but it does hurt to look at other genres.


Seriously just read Eyeshield 21, it's great and all the art is immaculate.

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Postby Cerulean » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:16 am

What is Eyeshield 21 about? Which sport does it focus on?

Remni wrote:Well Kuroko just ended. Pretty good series it was, though I was surprised the final issue seemed so short.

Yea, I wasn't expecting this to be the last chapter. I'm still having a hard time believing it. I have to wonder whether or not the series will get a spin off or sequel or something since the author is supposed to announce some new project at the end of the year.
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby WiNg0o » Wed Sep 03, 2014 3:59 pm

Cerulean wrote:What is Eyeshield 21 about? Which sport does it focus on?

Remni wrote:Well Kuroko just ended. Pretty good series it was, though I was surprised the final issue seemed so short.

Yea, I wasn't expecting this to be the last chapter. I'm still having a hard time believing it. I have to wonder whether or not the series will get a spin off or sequel or something since the author is supposed to announce some new project at the end of the year.


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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby ULTRADJWEEN » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:22 pm

WiNg0o wrote:
ULTRADJ wrote:I never got into sports anime/manga before, but I might consider soon. I prefer shonen action but it does hurt to look at other genres.


Seriously just read Eyeshield 21, it's great and all the art is immaculate.

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Football? From the words on the image, I thought it was about guys fucking in a manga XD
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Postby WiNg0o » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:59 pm

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This one fits better I guess. It's a terrible shame that the anime version fucking blew.
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Postby Senel » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:30 pm

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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Remni » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:44 pm

Eh, the anime really wasnt that bad and stuck fairly close to the manga up until the last arc, because it got cut before the final big matches.
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Postby Creppy Eggy » Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:16 am

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I can't stop laughing to this.

Also, a football manga?Geeze, we've got so much sports mangas/animes. We've got mangas about basketball, tennis, swimming, boxing, wrestling, baseball (I think), anything else I'm missing?
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