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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby narutodesu » Thu May 29, 2014 4:03 am

Reading the recent Naruto and seeing everyone wrapped up I thought to myself "It'd be neat to have a story where the bad guy wins."
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Postby DarkKing » Thu May 29, 2014 5:28 am

Well Mephistopheles from Soul Cartel is kind of a bad guy and he wins all the time, though that's probably because he's protecting the protagonist indirectly.

Oh and in Ookami no Kuchi: Wolfsmund too.
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Postby WiNg0o » Thu May 29, 2014 8:38 pm

DarkKing wrote:How has it DBZ'd? Only the top tier characters/creatures have the really crazy powers in the series. Toriko was always been about taking real world concepts and making them over the top and at least the author explains how the world and powers work. Plus the characters actually train to get stronger instead of getting power ups out of no where like in most shounen today. Also I don't see any problem with the art :?.


You basically just explained DBZ. LETS GO TRAIN IN 1000X EARTH'S GRAVITY SO WE CAN FIGHT NEW ENEMY X!
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Postby narutodesu » Fri May 30, 2014 3:56 am

Unless you're Yamcha.
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby DarkKing » Fri May 30, 2014 5:44 am

WiNg0o wrote:
DarkKing wrote:How has it DBZ'd? Only the top tier characters/creatures have the really crazy powers in the series. Toriko was always been about taking real world concepts and making them over the top and at least the author explains how the world and powers work. Plus the characters actually train to get stronger instead of getting power ups out of no where like in most shounen today. Also I don't see any problem with the art :?.


You basically just explained DBZ. LETS GO TRAIN IN 1000X EARTH'S GRAVITY SO WE CAN FIGHT NEW ENEMY X!



They weren't training to fight a new enemy it was that they would be able to survive gourmet world's environments/creatures which can be unpredictable. The villains were pretty much all the same until the end of act 1 of Toriko when Joa and Neo were introduced and even then it's still mostly the same characters they've just been brainwashed.
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Postby Vegedus » Sat May 31, 2014 4:35 am

DarkKing wrote:instead of getting power ups out of no where like in most shounen today.

Implying that's not how shounen has always been.
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Postby DarkKing » Sat May 31, 2014 10:42 am

Sure they had some power-ups that come out of no where too, but I don't think they were as poorly done like the ones in fairy tail can be for example.
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby EagleMan » Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:48 pm

narutodesu wrote:Unless you're Yamcha.

Yamcha stood against a Cell Jr. He lost but I think that means he could've probably taken on some of the early forms of Frieza.
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Postby Mir@k » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:04 am

Were cell jr. That powerful?
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Exodis » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:13 am

Mir@k wrote:Were cell jr. That powerful?

They were. The fact that they were able to stand up against all the Z-fighters shows how powerful they were, only to be defeated by Gohan when he went all ape-shit after seeing Android 16 get his head destroyed from Cell, causing him to go SSJ2, killing the Cell Jr.s like nothing.
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Postby Iris » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:33 am

I think you mean Android 16 Exodis.
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Postby Exodis » Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:25 am

Shit, my bad. Got confused with my Androids.
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Postby DarkKing » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:03 pm

I always thought it was weird how they called them androids when really they're more like cyborgs.
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Exodis » Mon Jun 02, 2014 1:11 pm

EagleMan wrote:Yamcha stood against a Cell Jr. He lost but I think that means he could've probably taken on some of the early forms of Frieza.

This is what surprises me a lot.
During the battles against Cell and Buu, I always wondered how most of the Z-fighters would survive against previous enemies.
Like, if Piccalo was able to fend off against Cell's Imperfect form, while also standing a chance against Cell Jr., would this strength be able to defeat Frieza if he had the chance to fight him again?
It's interesting how menacing villains can be the first time any person fights them, struggling to try and defeat them, when latter on they've become stronger and better throughout the years you realize that those heroes could have defeated that one foe that took them to the brink of death easily.
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Postby Vegedus » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:37 pm

Shounen are basically JRPGs. You level up so much over the course of it that you one-hit-kill the early enemies. Most shounen have a pretty big level range too.

I think there were a movie where goku met Frieza and Cell in hell (or something) at a point in time after the Buu saga, and basically entertained them for a little while before wiping the floor with them.

DarkKing wrote:I always thought it was weird how they called them androids when really they're more like cyborgs.

I wouldn't say that. The two words aren't entirely strigently defined, but I'd say a cyborg is someone who was a human to begin with, then got metal parts stiched onto them. An android is a robot who is human-like, but none the less, "born" a robot, and more robot than human. That can basically mean anything from a shell of skin over a robotic inner (Terminator) to mostly organic, but artificially made, with key robotic parts, like the brain.

IIRC, Dr Giro was a cyborg rather than an android, because he used to be human, but all the other android weren't based on human parts, they were just human looking robots. (Not sure how that works with 17, but whatevs)
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Postby DarkKing » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:13 pm

17 and 18 were originally human too. That's why 18 was able to give birth to Marron because she still had some of her human parts.
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Postby Vegedus » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:33 pm

Hm, okay. Was 16 the one that wasn't?
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Postby DarkKing » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:04 pm

Yep.
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Postby Senel » Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:27 am

Wasn't 18 able to give birth because they wished her full human?
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Postby DarkKing » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:16 am

Nope Krillin did try to wish for Android 18 to become a normal human again, but Shenron couldn't grant that wish.
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Remni » Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:46 pm

Nice to see Ichigo gets to keep his Getsuga. Guessing the bigger the slice in the air with it now, the stronger it is. Almost thought it was gonna be a new move cause it looked like he was cutting through space to start with.

Also, 2 HxH chapters within 2 weeks. I guess it's truly back now.
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Postby Senel » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:21 pm

I like the concept of that Monster X Monster one shot. Hopefully it gets picked up.
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Re: Shounen Manga Discussion(Naruto Bleach etc. spoilers inside)

Postby Mir@k » Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:26 pm

So now how in hell are they going to resolve shit in Naruto? New enemy seems OP. I didn't even get what was going on in the last panel.
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Postby Senel » Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:57 pm

I think she turned the ground to magma.
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Postby Spider Tiki » Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:17 pm

All my childhood years of playing the floor is lava prepped me for this
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