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Postby Wildcard » Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:40 pm

I just got a call from a good buddy in the know at work...and it looks like Kazaa has lost its recent court battle. As part of the order they're gonna start recoding IP adresses and names or something. I'm not to sure how much faith to put in it (I didn't see anything...only heard)...but just a heads up for the Kazaa owners out there. May wanna at least watch the news.
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Postby HaloGray » Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:50 pm

I heard it was against service providers more or less.. and if a person has more then 600 songs then the RIAA can get your IP address and force your ISP to say who was using the IP at that time, and then do whatever it is they want to do with your name.... sue you... try and get you thrown in jail... whatever it is they're going to do.

Seems to me if you only share 599 songs you're ok.
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Postby Wildcard » Fri Jan 24, 2003 5:57 pm

Im glad I dont have Kazaa or my mp3s loade right now. So like if they came over I'd be like "What? No way?!? *Points at brother in law* You jack ass...you've been pirating songs!" It pays to have 3 people on a IP adress as well
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Postby HaloGray » Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:02 pm

Hahahaha.... as far as I know it's legal to have mp3s provided you own the cd as well.... i have many albums of shit I own because of a scratched up cd... so I'd probably try using that offense... The most unfortunate thing about all this is it's an actual effect way to limit trading.

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Postby Shadow The Rat » Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:15 pm

why not just use another gnutella client instead of the spyware-laden pile of junk?
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Postby Kris » Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:17 pm

Damn them to hell..... stupid RIAA...
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Postby Wildcard » Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:23 pm

Back to MiRC and FTPs with you!
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Postby Lengeta » Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:25 pm

If someone's going to hack a site, it should be certain sites.. like RIAA.
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Postby Kiwi » Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:26 pm

I use Kazaalite... the spyware free version :) I wonder if that will affect me, since technically that's not a legal program, and I haven't entered any personal info...
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Postby Lengeta » Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:28 pm

You don't need to enter your personal information for someone to trace your IP.
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Postby Kiwi » Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:32 pm

true enough...
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Postby HaloGray » Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:40 pm

I wonder if the next big p2p client will be the one who reserves the right to hide IP addresses from everybody.
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Postby Smaug » Fri Jan 24, 2003 6:45 pm

just use a diff p2p client. thats all.
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Postby Nix » Fri Jan 24, 2003 7:32 pm

To clear a few things up:

I follow the news (especially tech news) very closely, so here is whats going down.

1. A Judge ruled against Verizon the ISP forcing them to give information on a user from their network that was pirating music over Kazaa Lite.

2. This ruling is the initial one, not the final one. It is currently being appealed by Verizon and several other privacy and technology organizations.

3. The ruling states that the RIAA can get information on anyone trading any number of MP3s on ANY network, not just Kazaa.

4. Even with the proper information to identify someone, if you are SHARING music, and not downloading it, they have no case. There is no law against letting people access your computer or files, so you are not committing a crime.

5. Kazaa's main office is not in the United States, they are divided between Sweden and Australia, so even if the US Courts deem that Kazaa must turn over lists of users pirating music, there is no way to enforce that ruling.

Hope that helps.
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Postby HaloGray » Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:01 pm

Well.... they can inforce it on those that live in the US.... and if all the files you're sharing are illegally downloaded then you've still got a problem.
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Postby Sidious » Fri Jan 24, 2003 8:31 pm

No, see what he is saying is Kazaa can give them a big finger :bird: and tell them to go fuck themselves. The only way those assclowns could get the IPs of Kazaa users, legally, would be to get them from Kazaa. Seein that they are not an American Company the RIAA would have to go to international courts. I don't download...I share :rock:
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Postby Smaug » Fri Jan 24, 2003 10:03 pm

wooooooo! kazaa lives! thank ya nix for that much needed info.
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Postby Nix » Fri Jan 24, 2003 10:48 pm

Halo wrote:Well.... they can inforce it on those that live in the US.... and if all the files you're sharing are illegally downloaded then you've still got a problem.


Sid addressed the issue of those who live in the US so I won't bother.

Halo, you are correct that possessing files you don't have the rights to have is illegal, but the thing is that they have to be able to show that you don't have the right to have those files. The RIAA has no idea what CD's you own, and they can't force you to list them, nor can they have you arrested or your home searched without 'just cause'. Just because someone has a pile of MP3s does not mean that there is 'just cause' to search your home/computer.

Think of it this way:

If you have your window open and some cop happens to look in and see a giant pile of VCRs, he can't search your home. Owning a pile of VCRs is not illegal. Even if the VCRs ARE stolen, theres no way of KNOWING that, and therefore no 'just cause' to search your home.
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Postby Smaug » Fri Jan 24, 2003 10:50 pm

what if you substitute VCR's with dead bodies? can they get you in trouble then? cuz if so i think im in trouble.
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